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Outline of An Abandoned Memoir On My Occult Insights.

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NightWatchman95

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Hello again.

To be frank, i was honestly split over what I should post here to help genuine move the conversation on this forum
into a more productive direction and I thought i would do some digging into my computers backlog to find
that i actually had a fully functional outline for a book i never wrote do to me deciding to focus on pure fiction
writing for the time being (more on that later).

I thought that i had nothing to lose by posting the outline notes to see what you guys think about the general
idea of the book and if it was even worth writing:

1. the only reason people are so inclined to antisocial behavior is because they are incentivized by a monopoly on violence that will throw shade for them. look at France right now. blind self interest may gain you rapid gains in the short term, but it falls apart the moment the gun is pointed in your direction. no suprise the Mongol empire fractured to pieces when ghengis khan kicked the bucket. it provided no incentive but coercion and brutality to maintain stability. the slave trade (backed up by the roman state) may have made the roman empire wealthy in the short term. but ran into problems the moment it depressed wages of free citizens, contributed to inflation as slaves became more expensive, and you guessed it, CIVIL WAR.




2. so i think progressive intellectuals have a point that Africa is still reeling from the effects of the slave trade and world bank meddling rather than it being racial genetics in itself.




3. why must the burden of proof always be on someone with considerably less resources. Do you ask a janitor to prove the theory of gravity when talked about or do we always consider It to be a given. Why this double standard? The answer is simple. The appearance of confidence in more convincing than your actual expertise.




4. the moksha medicine of Aldous Huxley and DMT. Important to explore in detail.




5. how most new age and stoic philosophies relies on the false dilemma fallacy by assuming attachment and happiness are fundamentally opposed. Despite their being a much more broad array of combination between passion and objectivity that ancient philosophers did not have a means to account for. Who says I cant care deeply about my values and inevitably be dissapointed because of it. Seems like awfully circular projection on the founders part in that because their dreams hit a road black, no one else should bother trying.




6. the anecdotal evidence fallacy is only entirely warranted if the anecdote is derived from a single subjective source. But when multiple anecdotes separated by time and space are coming to impeccably similar conclusions, it may point to something fundamentally objective. After all what proof do we have to corroborate so many historical occurrences when we don’t have a time machine? The devil may be in the details but the angel is in the context of how the information is obtained. This is why the materialist empirical worldview falls short in that it completely devalues the merit of the subjective experience and choices of human individuals. Its no surprise authoritarians go after spirituality so militantly in exchange for subsuming the individual into the will of one or a close cabal of a few. In the case you bring up religion as a counter point, you unintentionally proved my point for these very same institutions are quick to shame people for their profound mystical experiences as “satanic” with nothing to back up their claims outside of semantics and dogma. Yet modern atheist are quick to paint a one size fits all straw man of having all metaphysics = organized religion.




7. so many scientists ironically fall easy victim to the texas sharp shooter fallacy as well, thats if their not entirely bought and paid for by corporate or partisan interests.




8. being stupid is not the same as making mistakes. Whats stupid is making the same mistakes and not paying attention to what went wrong.




9. The path to wisdom is surprisingly easy. Humility, empathy, and self-awareness. Its beautiful how simple it is but you can come to rather profound conclusions with those three ingredients. I should know, I used to be a raging buffoon before I learned the hard way. I just sure hope anyone reading this doesn't have to.




10. Before the boneheads chime in, Emotinal detachment is a dead end to genuine insight and wisdom. For how can you learn if you don’t care to do so? Caring is an emotion after all.

No kiddie gloves for me, i expect the same brutal honesty thrown my way as i throw at you guys, at the very least it should give you guys a more cohesive grasp on my worldview outside of your random hunches.
 

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2. so i think progressive intellectuals have a point that Africa is still reeling from the effects of the slave trade and world bank meddling rather than it being racial genetics in itself.
.... I mean, most of the world is probably still industrializing, but I think you're looking for the Philosophy section
 

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5. how most new age and stoic philosophies relies on the false dilemma fallacy by assuming attachment and happiness are fundamentally opposed. Despite their being a much more broad array of combination between passion and objectivity that ancient philosophers did not have a means to account for. Who says I cant care deeply about my values and inevitably be dissapointed because of it. Seems like awfully circular projection on the founders part in that because their dreams hit a road black, no one else should bother trying

Attachment as the root of suffering is a self evident axiom gained through experience. Ancient philosophies were practical, as in they were lived and experienced. It's different from modern philosophy in which people logic chop and deconstruct their way to a conclusion. This is why ancient philosophies such as stoicism and the vedic philosophy (which influences, albeit in a warped manner, New Age) are riddled with axioms or self evident truths. The reason they can use these axioms is because the reader is either also a philosopher in a living tradition or a priest etc etc. People who have lived direct experience. As philosophy has left its ancient roots of existing as a lifestyle it has become dependent on logical proofs which is why it took a turn into deconstruction. This also makes logical fallacies retrocasting when you use them on older traditions that precede post-modern rationalism as you're using a modern tool meant for a modern rationalistic world-view on a completely different system. It would be a bit like walking into an archeological dig and claiming the structure is unsound because it isn't retrofitted.
 

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Attachment as the root of suffering is a self evident axiom gained through experience. Ancient philosophies were practical, as in they were lived and experienced. It's different from modern philosophy in which people logic chop and deconstruct their way to a conclusion. This is why ancient philosophies such as stoicism and the vedic philosophy (which influences, albeit in a warped manner, New Age) are riddled with axioms or self evident truths. The reason they can use these axioms is because the reader is either also a philosopher in a living tradition or a priest etc etc. People who have lived direct experience. As philosophy has left its ancient roots of existing as a lifestyle it has become dependent on logical proofs which is why it took a turn into deconstruction. This also makes logical fallacies retrocasting when you use them on older traditions that precede post-modern rationalism as you're using a modern tool meant for a modern rationalistic world-view on a completely different system. It would be a bit like walking into an archeological dig and claiming the structure is unsound because it isn't retrofitted.
okay in short, you think i'm full of it because i'm not going to bend a knee to systems that lack modern intellectual rigor? yeah, not convinced.
 

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3. why must the burden of proof always be on someone with considerably less resources.

The burden of proof is on the person making the claim. It has nothing to do with resources.

Do you ask a janitor to prove the theory of gravity when talked about or do we always consider It to be a given.

We consider it to be a given because Newton's claims and Einstein's claims have both met standards of proof. However, no scientific theory is ever truly "safe". If your hypothetical janitor wants to make claims about gravity that contradict Newton or Einstein, or extend them in non-obvious ways, then of course they would have to prove them. Otherwise you would have us believing anything anyone says.
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Humility, empathy, and self-awareness. Its beautiful how simple it is but you can come to rather profound conclusions with those three ingredients. I should know, I used to be a raging buffoon before I learned the hard way. I just sure hope anyone reading this doesn't have to.

You're still trolling @Lemongrass00 's journal, so this really just reads like hypocrisy.
 
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The burden of proof is on the person making the claim. It has nothing to do with resources.



We consider it to be a given because Newton's claims and Einstein's claims have both met standards of proof. However, no scientific theory is ever truly "safe". If your hypothetical janitor wants to make claims about gravity that contradict Newton or Einstein, or extend them in non-obvious ways, then of course they would have to prove them. Otherwise you would have us believing anything anyone says.
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You're still trolling @Lemongrass00 's journal, so this really just reads like hypocrisy.
sigh. the same old song and dance of people thinking im trolling when i am being sincere, thought i would find common ground and understanding in this kind of space. Sad to see its the same pissing match as reddit...
 

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Even @Yazata described your posts as "polluting other people's journals", so stop telling yourself you're an innocent victim.
 

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okay in short, you think i'm full of it because i'm not going to bend a knee to systems that lack modern intellectual rigor? yeah, not convinced.
I would say that within the realm of spirituality, magic and the occult what we approach can't be intellectualized, logic doesn't help us where we go. This is why understanding is tertiary in the supernal triangle and knowledge exists below the supernal. An axiom would be a self evident Truth and Truth is primary, it is an aspect of Kether and the entire supernal triangle at once. This is why philosophers and theologians aren't magus or mystics. What they are concerned with is below the realm of direct experience and exists solely in the head. Placing primacy on modern intellectual rigor is what separates the modern man from the Truth, as he is limited by his own intelligence, his rationale, no man can expect to approach eternity or approach Truth using his head. It is a finite thing.
 

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I would say that within the realm of spirituality, magic and the occult what we approach can't be intellectualized, logic doesn't help us where we go. This is why understanding is tertiary in the supernal triangle and knowledge exists below the supernal. An axiom would be a self evident Truth and Truth is primary, it is an aspect of Kether and the entire supernal triangle at once. This is why philosophers and theologians aren't magus or mystics. What they are concerned with is below the realm of direct experience and exists solely in the head. Placing primacy on modern intellectual rigor is what separates the modern man from the Truth, as he is limited by his own intelligence, his rationale, no man can expect to approach eternity or approach Truth using his head. It is a finite thing.
and i HAVE been engaging in geniune occult practice good sir, i am really big on mahakala tantric meditation for example and i try to meditate on it at least once per week to stop a kundalini overload (Mahayana traditions blow Theravada traditions out of the water), but it must be paired with a critical unbiased mind to survive the experience, otherwise it will drive into another bardo trap of "love and light".
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Even @Yazata described your posts as "polluting other people's journals", so stop telling yourself you're an innocent victim.
apparently being honest in what you think of a persons work is considered a war crime in these so called "truth seeking" communities... what a joke...
 

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apparently being honest in what you think of a persons work is considered a war crime in these so called "truth seeking" communities... what a joke...

You comment on people practicing magick you have never practiced. You phrase those comments in condescension and dismissiveness. When you get called out for it, you wallow in a victim complex. Since this happened to you on reddit too, it would seem to be a pattern of behavior . . . what a joke.
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I'll just add that if you really want to help people, then you should go work on your communications skills.
 

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sigh. the same old song and dance of people thinking im trolling when i am being sincere, thought i would find common ground and understanding in this kind of space. Sad to see its the same pissing match as reddit...
“Why does no one appreciate my sincere cOnStRuCtIvE feedback”

you come across as a pompous prick to everyone you interact with, no kidding people aren’t going to take your schizo rants seriously.

also the fact you get immediately triggered whenever people are providing legitimate refutations to your “insights” shows how egotistical and non “enlightened” you really are.

didn’t know angels got triggered on little internet forums.
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sigh. the same old song and dance of people thinking im trolling when i am being sincere,
Maybe if everyone is independently telling you this you should listen up and do some self reflection
 
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and i HAVE been engaging in geniune occult practice good sir, i am really big on mahakala tantric meditation for example and i try to meditate on it at least once per week to stop a kundalini overload (Mahayana traditions blow Theravada traditions out of the water), but it must be paired with a critical unbiased mind to survive the experience, otherwise it will drive into another bardo trap of "love and light".
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apparently being honest in what you think of a persons work is considered a war crime in these so called "truth seeking" communities... what a joke...
You asked for critical analysis of your ideas but its becoming extremely obvious you lack the confidence and understanding of your ideas to take criticism. Good luck.
 

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and i HAVE been engaging in geniune occult practice good sir, i am really big on mahakala tantric meditation for example and i try to meditate on it at least once per week to stop a kundalini overload (Mahayana traditions blow Theravada traditions out of the water), but it must be paired with a critical unbiased mind to survive the experience, otherwise it will drive into another bardo trap of "love and light".
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apparently being honest in what you think of a persons work is considered a war crime in these so called "truth seeking" communities... what a joke...
A Journal isn't really meant for discussions. An occasional reply is okay but when it derails the whole OP that's not OK. That's why I moved all your replies and the answers into your own thread.
 

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the irony of this being experience driven yet im grilled for having an experience different from the unwritten rules of new age baloney. so yeah, i dont have to give a shit if you think i'm pompous, i'm at least being myself, something an honest occultist should value given it gives me the best change of escaping the bardo and reaching the pleroma. you want to be constructive, try to point out what i got right before you jump down my throat about how i'm "too attached" or how i have an ego problem. That just reflects your own insecurities when you feel the need to clap back at me.

TLDR: you are only giving me MORE POWER by the attention you give me, that should be occultism 101, but you dont even understand that, so yeah, i have a right to call you guys stupid LARPers.
 

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TLDR: you are only giving me MORE POWER by the attention you give me, that should be occultism 101, but you dont even understand that, so yeah, i have a right to call you guys stupid LARPers.

That's a two-edged sword, you are giving all that energy right back to us. The childish insult at the end is really telling. Have you ever thought of ending your posts one sentence early? You know, right before that childish insult or attempt to coerce people into seeing it your way with an insult if they don't, e.g. "Don't call yourself an occultist if you don't [see/do it my way]," which you habitually tack on out of insecurity.

You invited debate and discussion, and then abandoned it when you got debate and discussion. Apparently what you really wanted was an echo chamber. Let's revisit:

sigh. the same old song and dance of people thinking im trolling when i am being sincere, thought i would find common ground and understanding in this kind of space. Sad to see its the same pissing match as reddit...

This was a deflection away from my debating you on the subject of people making claims. Also, I'm pretty sure that calling someone's magickal practice a "LARP circus" qualifies as trolling.

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the irony of this being experience driven yet im grilled for having an experience different from the unwritten rules of new age baloney. so yeah, i dont have to give a shit if you think i'm pompous, i'm at least being myself, something an honest occultist should value given it gives me the best change of escaping the bardo and reaching the pleroma. you want to be constructive, try to point out what i got right before you jump down my throat about how i'm "too attached" or how i have an ego problem. That just reflects your own insecurities when you feel the need to clap back at me.

TLDR: you are only giving me MORE POWER by the attention you give me, that should be occultism 101, but you dont even understand that, so yeah, i have a right to call you guys stupid LARPers.
Sorry, man, but whatever your points are, your condescending attitude is a massive turn-off.
 

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That's a two-edged sword, you are giving all that energy right back to us. The childish insult at the end is really telling. Have you ever thought of ending your posts one sentence early? You know, right before that childish insult or attempt to coerce people into seeing it your way with an insult if they don't, e.g. "Don't call yourself an occultist if you don't [see/do it my way]," which you habitually tack on out of insecurity.

You invited debate and discussion, and then abandoned it when you got debate and discussion. Apparently what you really wanted was an echo chamber. Let's revisit:



This was a deflection away from my debating you on the subject of people making claims. Also, I'm pretty sure that calling someone's magickal practice a "LARP circus" qualifies as trolling.

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yet you would never make it through 10 minutes of the genuine high leve mahayanal tantric rituals i went through. but easier to write me off as some eltitist when i base my practice on HISTORICAL WISDOM rather than anything that came out of the 19th century or later which were all founded by actual crazy people or just straight up self serving assholes. im not the enemy, you only see it that way because the internet is a shitty place to know actual occult history and how Crowley ate his own feces or how HP Lovecraft was a the OG incel. but call me dumb all you like if it makes you feel better.
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i mean thats assuming you people even studied actual sacred texts to glean the higher truths from them rather than second hand pop occult tomes.
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TLDR: try invoking mahakala in an hour long tantric chanting session and lets see if you will still write my off as a tryhard.
 
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