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I trust this will be OK with @SkullTraill. If not, apologies and please move to the lounge for me.

In the early summer I considered that my time with WF had come to an end. In a sense this was the climax of the previous summer, when, long term residents might remember, I underwent a genuine, bolt out of the blue, Near Death Experience. The major "levelling up" that was unleashed by the NDE was a lot bigger than I thought it might be and a lot more destabilising too. In hindsight, I now see that the raft I had built to get me that far (much of it assembled from various parts of the Western Left Hand Path) had started to break apart long before the NDE, though the NDE drove home a simple truth: once the raft gets you to the other side of the river, get off and walk, otherwise you'll sink.

Still, such realisations did not prepare me for what would come over the spring and summer which have just passed, a spring and summer when I would walk ("crawl" is probably closer to the truth) into terrain where the manuals cannot apply, where the truth of the world and one's life have to be seen in all their horrific reality. If the previous summer was an NDE of the body, this went deeper again, an entire collapse of all underlying mental structures, a lower octave experience of fanāʾ or "Crossing the Abyss". On the outside all was well, underneath was a person at Golgotha.

The first truth to dawn from the other side of this was a sense of how imperfect my ways of getting there had been, of how much they had delayed me and of how even sincere seekers construct systems which affirm their desires rather than challenging them (this will always lead to energy looping and eventual collapse). This realisation felt more like the Moon turning to a new phase, a natural realignment, not a case of "I once was lost but now I'm found" (please keep any fundie-coloured projections to yourself, they don't apply here, this is something different). Still, I felt sufficiently strongly to think "Wintruz must be disavowed - I cannot lead others into wasting their time". For that reason, coupled with missing the antics of some older faces who'd been banned, I stopped posting after writing a disavowal of what I had written in the past. And yet... the WF DMs would ping in my email, with kids asking for information about those very same paths that I now saw as a blind alley. I'm glad of them. They reminded me that, rather than simply walking away, I might instead show how those paths were blind alleys. Perhaps even talk about what I have found that has made sense...

My name is Wintruz. I was deeply experienced in the Western Left Hand Path. I was the youngest Priest in the history of the Temple of Set and an Internal Adept of the ONA. Zeena LaVey once called me "the future". I have seen things that many do not believe possible, I have passed through a thousand fires and undergone dozens of dangerous transformations. Here is what I have learned:

You do not know who you are. Learning comes through accepting every event as a means of destabilising your false sense of self. The attempt to escape those events merely tightens the noose. Only with time and conscious suffering, very, very gradually, will truth start to be glimpsed and only from truth is it possible to act. All else is fantasy.

I will post about healthy ways of getting there, share my own journey to love and to sanity and counter ideas that encourage anyone to spin their wheels.

Until again!
 

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If you disavowed the Left-Hand Path, what part of it broke you? Not poetically, specifically. And how are you owning your impact on the people you once led down it?
 

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Hi Wintruz, and welcome again! I look forward to reading your ways.
 

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Glad you've come back. Your insight will never not be invaluable, looking forward to seeing you post from your new perspective, and the inevitable conflict it'll create with the delusional. I'm delighted to see we agree on quite a bit now, imagination really is a nightmarish maze-prison many of us have developed Stockholm syndrome for.

where the truth of the world and one's life have to be seen in all their horrific reality
I'm curious, is this a statement on our position existentially within materiality, or is this more personal like realizing the pit of squalor and pointlessness a person's unconscious lifestyle has led them into?

Only with time and conscious suffering, very, very gradually, will truth start to be glimpsed and only from truth is it possible to act. All else is fantasy.
💯 "Do not seek the truth; only cease to cherish opinions" -Seng-ts'an
 

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If you disavowed the Left-Hand Path, what part of it broke you? Not poetically, specifically. And how are you owning your impact on the people you once led down it?
I repeat...
(please keep any fundie-coloured projections to yourself, they don't apply here, this is something different)
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I'm curious, is this a statement on our position existentially within materiality, or is this more personal like realizing the pit of squalor and pointlessness a person's unconscious lifestyle has led them into?
Interesting distinction and a difficult one to answer. I would say that a big part of the "discovery of True Will" is the realisation of the role one has in the world. For many that is blessedly straightforward: "Be virtuous, contribute in your own way, work without lust of result". For others, the role is complex and different (not necessarily "better" either - what I'd give for ease and simplicity!) and, in some cases, the true role isn't disclosed openly at the beginning because one would run from it. When it is disclosed, it can feel a bit like one has been manipulated along, like a lamb being led to slaughter. In the end, though what I saw of my own role horrified me, though it was different in every sense to what I wanted my Work to be, I accept that there's no escaping from what is asked (or "no escaping karma" if you prefer) and, after the mother of all Leonine tantrums, in the words of the Prophet (ﷺ), I submitted to my fitrah. That's probably all I can say without risk of giving (even more of) the wrong impression.

On the subject of squalor, there's an opportunity here for a clarification that may help others. My time on the LHP was never about squalor or being a victim of subconscious impulses. At worst I would say there was a semi-aware use of sex as an anaesthetic (bisexual, "solid eight", Leo man with a strong libido - sex was always going to be a potent issue no matter my path) but, largely, I was aware of what my desires were revealing to me about myself and I wasn't immersed in the moral depravity that is sometimes associated with Satanism. If someone needed dealing with, I would deal with them, but I always detested the harm to children, animals and vulnerable people that some unvirtuous failures disguised as "LHPers" engage in (often these bastards would be precisely who I would "deal with"). Yet, the fact that my life never looked like a bedroom edge lord, that, if anything, my life looks externally "aspirational", is actually what made it so dangerous, both to me and to others, especially younger people. If I were wading in filth, the opportunity to ask "What on Earth am I doing with my life?" would probably come quicker than it does wandering around the hotels of Europe with beautiful people. One can be in splendour, one can have extreme self-awareness and, at the same time, one can be out of alignment with fitrah/True Will. The consequences are still catastrophic.
 

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:D It's good to hear of others evolving their practices and beliefs.

When I was younger someone actually tried to kill me after a fight. At the time I was so deeply engrossed in theistic Satanism I couldn't see what was happening to my bodies, but thanks to outside influence, I was able to breakthrough my boundaries and establish my self as a better person. In time my practice changed for the better and I practice a middle path now.

I think some people consider the middle path to be some of this, some of that. And in a way it is because like all spirituality it draws on the ultimate truths of reality, however being a middle energy, it is a more direct flow of concsiousness. So I see it as it's own option entirely. Once someone begins to accept this centered energy, and not merely just balance the polaric energies, they really begin to experience reality. Perhaps thats due to Gnosis, or the maybe its the fully realized Christ consciousness. I think those two things used to define something to heaven sent is ultimately polarizing, but that's how people best understand this enigmatic force.

Anyway, glad to see you return. If you asked me for advice, lol, I would say never give up on what you know. It may have flaws, but knowledge is valuable. Instead of going deeper, however, focus on expanding your magician's toolkit with new practices that work for you. Perhaps you will find something perfect. It's possible.
 

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I repeat...

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It was a scalpel, not a 'fundie-coloured projection'. It was a direct question. You're sidestepping it told me what I needed to know. Thanks.
 

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If you disavowed the Left-Hand Path, what part of it broke you? Not poetically, specifically. And how are you owning your impact on the people you once led down it?
It was a scalpel, not a 'fundie-coloured projection'. It was a direct question. You're sidestepping it told me what I needed to know. Thanks.
I make it a point of principle to disregard those who demand answers which conform with their presumptions about how the world works. Such entitlement tells me that person is more interested in having their narrow, personal beliefs validated than an honest attempt to understand. Life is too short for that. Checking one's premises is Entry Level Work.

Furthermore, if you cannot manage basic politeness, it's unlikely you'll be able to manage anything more substantial.
 

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hi wintruz.
i got me a deck of cards from mr. beast. they were quite aggressive when we first met. i was self quite angry that some being thought to enter my privacy as if 'anton long' would do that after promoting the inner workings of a rowanitha. ( i hope i remembered the spelling correctly, dont want to be a spelling nazi in an o9a convo :) ) so i kicked him out.

lets write some stuff out openly here. do that big ama thread.
 
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