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Reincarnation and the Soul

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If there is such a thing as a does that mean soul = energy and energy can't be created or destroyed. So does that mean freedom from existence is impossible. No escape from reality.
An analogy to understand this in my current model has the soul as a photon surrounded by matter moving in a reincarnating orbit. If the dark matter is dissipated the photon doesn't orbit nor reincarnate and instead instantly goes to the Omega experiencing a forever unalterable now.
 

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If there is such a thing as a does that mean soul = energy and energy can't be created or destroyed. So does that mean freedom from existence is impossible. No escape from reality.
If the soul is supposed to be related to an actual person, and not considered to be just the stuff people's inner life is made of, then the soul would have to be information, which can be created and destroyed. It would have to be encoded in 'something' which is usually where people pull some all-encompassing field out of their ass in order to encode the 'soul', which I think is what @Renfro has done, above.
 

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I believe soul is just a part of the DNA structure which is indestructible on other levels. It's literally communicating with the current morpogenetic fields if there even exists something like that. But I do find some evidence that morphogenetic fields do infact exist, just from the way the human population is acting when changing the fields and how they change through time in all things like language and so forth (USA, Australia).
 

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Do you mind bridging on this a bit?
Sure. If the soul is made of energy instead of other things like atoms or information or some other third thing then a law of the universe states that energy cannot be created nor destroyed. This would explain why reincarnation exist and why people reform to something new. This does also assume that their is such a thing as a soul and I'm not sure fully if this soul is energy or not but this would be my conclusion.

Maybe in this view either the bhuddist view of Nirvana can never truly be attained or "getting rid of material version of self/soul/indentiy" would grant an individual a nirvana like state where they are just energy and not in the material world. The being would be just pure energy and not have to engage in material struggles like finding food, shelter, and water.
 

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Sure. If the soul is made of energy instead of other things like atoms or information or some other third thing then a law of the universe states that energy cannot be created nor destroyed. This would explain why reincarnation exist and why people reform to something new. This does also assume that their is such a thing as a soul and I'm not sure fully if this soul is energy or not but this would be my conclusion.

Maybe in this view either the bhuddist view of Nirvana can never truly be attained or "getting rid of material version of self/soul/indentiy" would grant an individual a nirvana like state where they are just energy and not in the material world. The being would be just pure energy and not have to engage in material struggles like finding food, shelter, and water.

Energy cannot be created or destroyed, but it can be converted. Atman smartphone charger: when?
 

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Energy cannot be created or destroyed, but it can be converted. Atman smartphone charger: when?
Well I mean if want to get technical and less spirtual the brain does produce electricity so could be used to charge phone. In fact that was the entire plot l'm pretty sure of little known movie not sure if you've heard of it (lol) called The Matrix.

So I guess in the Matrix it could be viewed as technically maybe an Atman smartphone charger.

Adding on: Whenever I attribute Nirvana to Bhuddism I always think that its not and its actually attribuited to Hinduism and I'm getting the reIigions mixed up but no its Bhuddism but I think from brief search Nirvana was a concept from the Jains and some sects of Hinduism.
 

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In my spiritual path, I've been informed by the deities and spirits that I work with on the process of souls and reincarnation. But that lens is very specific, which ultimately narrows down to a process of "soul contracts". Have you given jurisdiction to a higher being from your religion or belief system to manage your soul after you die? Or are you winging it when your soul departs from your body? Some thoughts to consider...
 

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Sure. If the soul is made of energy instead of other things like atoms or information or some other third thing then a law of the universe states that energy cannot be created nor destroyed. This would explain why reincarnation exist and why people reform to something new. This does also assume that their is such a thing as a soul and I'm not sure fully if this soul is energy or not but this would be my conclusion.

Maybe in this view either the bhuddist view of Nirvana can never truly be attained or "getting rid of material version of self/soul/indentiy" would grant an individual a nirvana like state where they are just energy and not in the material world. The being would be just pure energy and not have to engage in material struggles like finding food, shelter, and water.
That's the point I was trying to make in that other post: the First Law of Thermodynamics says energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transformed from one form to another. A conventional lightbulb, for example, converts only 10 % of the electricity it consumes into light, the rest is dissipated to the environment as waste heat. This means that not all energy is realistically recoverable or can be converted back into its original form. If we take the electrical energy analogy for subtle energy too literally, similar limitations analogous to the First Law of Thermodynamics would apply, which would clearly be unsatisfactory. For example, it would prohibit the phenomenon that subtle energy can be created from thin air, or that it can simply vanish without a trace. Which is why I think that magic shouldn't lean on physics too hard for analogies and consider alternative ones like the information model as well.

Imagening the soul to be 'pure energy' while willy-nilly thinking of physical energy with all its bothersome limitation is difficult. Considering it an information-dense unit is easier, maybe encapsulated in karma which could be thought of as yet another information package deciding its subsequent fate. Physics analogies have its downsides, is what I'm saying.
 

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That's the point I was trying to make in that other post: the First Law of Thermodynamics says energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transformed from one form to another. A conventional lightbulb, for example, converts only 10 % of the electricity it consumes into light, the rest is dissipated to the environment as waste heat. This means that not all energy is realistically recoverable or can be converted back into its original form. If we take the electrical energy analogy for subtle energy too literally, similar limitations analogous to the First Law of Thermodynamics would apply, which would clearly be unsatisfactory. For example, it would prohibit the phenomenon that subtle energy can be created from thin air, or that it can simply vanish without a trace. Which is why I think that magic shouldn't lean on physics too hard for analogies and consider alternative ones like the information model as well.

Imagening the soul to be 'pure energy' while willy-nilly thinking of physical energy with all its bothersome limitation is difficult. Considering it an information-dense unit is easier, maybe encapsulated in karma which could be thought of as yet another information package deciding its subsequent fate. Physics analogies have its downsides, is what I'm saying.
Yeah I did add on to the explanation that this does have to one first assume the soul tangibly exists if exists at all and two assume the soul is made completely out of energy. A third assumption also being that spirtual matters are like and can be akin to physics. So this statement makes a lot of assumptions. The main downside of this and with a lot of physics is that it requires someone to make a lot of assumptions.

In physics problems in a lot of problems people have to assume there is little to no air resistance or little to no friction and a hundred other different assumptions. I'm not saying its right just posting it out there and adding to the ammendum that there are a lot of assumptions made so might not be accurate. But maybe that was the point of this post and I missed it. Again not saying accurate just putting it out there with a lot of caveats to that assumption.
 
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