Revenge Rituals Without Demons?

[mysteryx88]

Hey everyone,

I came across this story online and wanted to get your take on it. I’m still new to Magick and learning, so this really got me thinking.

The story is about a revenge ritual, but what caught my attention is that demons weren’t part of it at all—it was all about intent, telepathy, and the mind. I recently joined the forum a few weeks ago, and as a beginner, it’s wild to think something like this could work without any external forces.

Can rituals like this really function purely through planets, intent and the subconscious? Has anyone experienced or heard of something similar? I know there are many of you with a great amount of knowledge and wisdom within the occult, so I’d love to hear your thoughts. The story explains the mechanism behind what’s involved to make the ritual work, but I’d like to know more about the theory if someone knows. Why the full moon? Why a toad? Why Friday at midnight? What would have happened if the toad died? Are there any adverse consequences for someone who performs a ritual like this with the intention of harming another person? Etc.

The names were omitted due to an oath. That is why the names mentioned in the following story are not the original ones.

Once in Italy, a woman named Angélica was about to get married. But her fiancé, Camilo, left her on the eve of the wedding. Angélica then decided to seek revenge by visiting a sorceress. The sorceress told her what she needed to do for the spell. Among other things, she had to catch a toad, put it in a jar, and bury it on a Friday at midnight during a full moon.

When the Capuchin priest found out what Angélica had done, he turned pale and said:
“But, my child, I just gave that man his last rites.”

“Don’t worry, Father,” the woman replied. “He’s not going to die; I’ve repented, and we’ve dug up the toad. The sorceress says the toad will live, and we’re taking good care of it.”

Later, the priest went to see the man, who was very ill. At that moment, a group of doctors was gathered, unsure of what was wrong with the patient, as he was choking without any apparent cause. But the next day, to the great surprise of all the doctors, the man began to recover.

Father Balducci (an Italian Catholic priest, theologian, ufologist, demonologist, exorcist, and member of the Vatican Curia), when recounting this case in one of his books, said:
“The toad cannot be responsible for all of this, because where would it get the strength to do such things? Therefore, it must be the demon.”

This is the most simplistic interpretation given to these types of cases, “tailored to the consumer.” In Italy, a Catholic environment, the blame is placed on the demon, even though the demon may have had nothing to do with it. In other countries, like Brazil, the blame is placed on the spirits of the dead.

In reality, it was the ill intent of Angélica or the sorceress, which was telepathically picked up by the man’s subconscious. In cases like these, the subconscious itself turns against the body. That’s why, upon receiving it, he couldn’t breathe, his liver couldn’t function, and neither could his heart or lungs. It is the subconscious that is killing the victim, as the victim is essentially killing themselves by telepathically picking up (which happens to very special individuals) the ill intent.

For the spell to take effect, the person must be gifted, someone who blindly believes that demons, spirits of the dead, etc., are responsible—entities against which one has no defense. They must be so rare, so psychologically damaged, having lost their survival instinct, that their subconscious turns against itself.

In Brazil, for example, spiritists carry a figa made of wood or gold, worn around the neck. The wood or gold amulet itself has no power, but the confidence placed in the figa is what makes it magical.

Because the spell must be received telepathically. It comes from the outside, in minimal doses, against the survival instinct, and this counter-spell comes from within, in large doses, in favor of the survival instinct. That’s why there is no struggle.

 

[Baranova Alya]

In the past, in many fairy tales, cartoons showed how a witch or Baba Yaga, boil frogs in a cauldron and use them in magic))))) By the way, in my arsenal there is not a single rite associated with a frog. There is a lot of nonsense on the net. And no one ever fully describes any ritual. There are most often the words of the conspiracy, and sometimes objects used in the ritual. An experienced practitioner, reading the words of the conspiracy, as a rebus solves the ritual, and makes it complete. In conspiracies, the theory is always stated in principle. And here I think there is no exception. At least I think here did not indicate that the frog was a signifier, that is, the frog was in the form of this man. Also in the jar obviously put something else from the personal belongings of this man. The frog stopped having enough oxygen and the man began to suffocate. There's an analogy in Slavic magic. They take an apple, a photo of a man, and black threads. The apple is cut, the photo is put between the halves of the apple, wrapped with black thread, and buried, using a conspiracy something like: as this apple is rotting, so this man is rotting. When the apple rots, so will the person...Creepy ritualistic as to me. And yes, I described only a small part, seemingly understandable ritual, but there is still a theoretical part, without which the ritual will not work, or will work if you are a very strong person. Your strong intention and belief in the success of the ritual is already 50% of success. All these actions are aimed at setting you to the right thought and special state. Also, I find it hard to believe that every second practitioner works with higher dark forces. Half of the people are empty and have no interest for the higher Satan. What can we offer them? Our souls? For a person to be healthy physically, he should do sports, lead a healthy lifestyle. It's the same story with the soul. Only a few people develop themselves energetically. The souls of the rest are valued about as much as an old alcoholic at boxing competitions. If a person drinks, uses drugs, leads a promiscuous sexual life - in 99% of cases he already belongs to demons. There is no reason for the devil to buy something that already belongs to him (+ if it is of low quality). As for me, Satan, well the highest of the dark ones will come down to you to work with you if you are a very spiritual, holy person, or a strong adept of another system, i.e. you have developed energy, moral principles and some weight in the tradition in which you work. Or you will be favourable to Satan in power. That is, if you are a party leader/oligarch, capable of strengthening the influence of the Dark Forces in the world (genocide, war, destruction of churches, discrediting religion), you will receive bonuses in the form of material benefits. So all these stories about Satan, exactly the most important, I find it hard to believe. It's like Trump or Putin will come to you and start to advise you how to negotiate))))) So the best thing I would advise you is to develop yourself. And if you really want to experience a connection with someone, elementals respond very well to beginners. They never refuse to help, with the right approach).
I got a little carried away, ahaha

 

[Wintruz]

Hey everyone,

I came across this story online and wanted to get your take on it. I’m still new to Magick and learning, so this really got me thinking.

The story is about a revenge ritual, but what caught my attention is that demons weren’t part of it at all—it was all about intent, telepathy, and the mind. I recently joined the forum a few weeks ago, and as a beginner, it’s wild to think something like this could work without any external forces.

Can rituals like this really function purely through planets, intent and the subconscious? Has anyone experienced or heard of something similar? I know there are many of you with a great amount of knowledge and wisdom within the occult, so I’d love to hear your thoughts. The story explains the mechanism behind what’s involved to make the ritual work, but I’d like to know more about the theory if someone knows. Why the full moon? Why a toad? Why Friday at midnight? What would have happened if the toad died? Are there any adverse consequences for someone who performs a ritual like this with the intention of harming another person? Etc.

The names were omitted due to an oath. That is why the names mentioned in the following story are not the original ones.

Once in Italy, a woman named Angélica was about to get married. But her fiancé, Camilo, left her on the eve of the wedding. Angélica then decided to seek revenge by visiting a sorceress. The sorceress told her what she needed to do for the spell. Among other things, she had to catch a toad, put it in a jar, and bury it on a Friday at midnight during a full moon.

When the Capuchin priest found out what Angélica had done, he turned pale and said:
“But, my child, I just gave that man his last rites.”

“Don’t worry, Father,” the woman replied. “He’s not going to die; I’ve repented, and we’ve dug up the toad. The sorceress says the toad will live, and we’re taking good care of it.”

Later, the priest went to see the man, who was very ill. At that moment, a group of doctors was gathered, unsure of what was wrong with the patient, as he was choking without any apparent cause. But the next day, to the great surprise of all the doctors, the man began to recover.

Father Balducci (an Italian Catholic priest, theologian, ufologist, demonologist, exorcist, and member of the Vatican Curia), when recounting this case in one of his books, said:
“The toad cannot be responsible for all of this, because where would it get the strength to do such things? Therefore, it must be the demon.”

This is the most simplistic interpretation given to these types of cases, “tailored to the consumer.” In Italy, a Catholic environment, the blame is placed on the demon, even though the demon may have had nothing to do with it. In other countries, like Brazil, the blame is placed on the spirits of the dead.

In reality, it was the ill intent of Angélica or the sorceress, which was telepathically picked up by the man’s subconscious. In cases like these, the subconscious itself turns against the body. That’s why, upon receiving it, he couldn’t breathe, his liver couldn’t function, and neither could his heart or lungs. It is the subconscious that is killing the victim, as the victim is essentially killing themselves by telepathically picking up (which happens to very special individuals) the ill intent.

For the spell to take effect, the person must be gifted, someone who blindly believes that demons, spirits of the dead, etc., are responsible—entities against which one has no defense. They must be so rare, so psychologically damaged, having lost their survival instinct, that their subconscious turns against itself.

In Brazil, for example, spiritists carry a figa made of wood or gold, worn around the neck. The wood or gold amulet itself has no power, but the confidence placed in the figa is what makes it magical.

Because the spell must be received telepathically. It comes from the outside, in minimal doses, against the survival instinct, and this counter-spell comes from within, in large doses, in favor of the survival instinct. That’s why there is no struggle.

Magic works through directing energy. In its pure state, energy has no intrinsic qualities. It just is. The sorcerer finds ways to gain inordinate amounts of energy and then directs that through a filter which is flavoured in accordance with their goal (this "filter" can include their own emotions - just projecting them outwards as is the case in the ritual you've shared here). In that sense, a demon isn't really external. They're a convector through which energy is pushed which creates changes in accordance with the demon's character (Asmodeus for lust, Abaddon for revenge, etc.). But they are just a filter. Magical traditions are internally consistent sets of filters for playing with energy. The power is coming from the sorcerer.

This does get more complicated when considering that the filters themselves change based on how much they've been played with. If you choose to use, say, Abaddon to bring revenge on someone, you are also conjuring the energetic traces of everything that has been done in that demon's name. This is why you wouldn't invoke Winnie the Pooh in a revenge ritual; that filter has energetic traces which would not be useful for a revenge working.

 

[mysteryx88]

In the past, in many fairy tales, cartoons showed how a witch or Baba Yaga, boil frogs in a cauldron and use them in magic))))) By the way, in my arsenal there is not a single rite associated with a frog. There is a lot of nonsense on the net. And no one ever fully describes any ritual. There are most often the words of the conspiracy, and sometimes objects used in the ritual. An experienced practitioner, reading the words of the conspiracy, as a rebus solves the ritual, and makes it complete. In conspiracies, the theory is always stated in principle. And here I think there is no exception. At least I think here did not indicate that the frog was a signifier, that is, the frog was in the form of this man. Also in the jar obviously put something else from the personal belongings of this man. The frog stopped having enough oxygen and the man began to suffocate. There's an analogy in Slavic magic. They take an apple, a photo of a man, and black threads. The apple is cut, the photo is put between the halves of the apple, wrapped with black thread, and buried, using a conspiracy something like: as this apple is rotting, so this man is rotting. When the apple rots, so will the person...Creepy ritualistic as to me. And yes, I described only a small part, seemingly understandable ritual, but there is still a theoretical part, without which the ritual will not work, or will work if you are a very strong person. Your strong intention and belief in the success of the ritual is already 50% of success. All these actions are aimed at setting you to the right thought and special state. Also, I find it hard to believe that every second practitioner works with higher dark forces. Half of the people are empty and have no interest for the higher Satan. What can we offer them? Our souls? For a person to be healthy physically, he should do sports, lead a healthy lifestyle. It's the same story with the soul. Only a few people develop themselves energetically. The souls of the rest are valued about as much as an old alcoholic at boxing competitions. If a person drinks, uses drugs, leads a promiscuous sexual life - in 99% of cases he already belongs to demons. There is no reason for the devil to buy something that already belongs to him (+ if it is of low quality). As for me, Satan, well the highest of the dark ones will come down to you to work with you if you are a very spiritual, holy person, or a strong adept of another system, i.e. you have developed energy, moral principles and some weight in the tradition in which you work. Or you will be favourable to Satan in power. That is, if you are a party leader/oligarch, capable of strengthening the influence of the Dark Forces in the world (genocide, war, destruction of churches, discrediting religion), you will receive bonuses in the form of material benefits. So all these stories about Satan, exactly the most important, I find it hard to believe. It's like Trump or Putin will come to you and start to advise you how to negotiate))))) So the best thing I would advise you is to develop yourself. And if you really want to experience a connection with someone, elementals respond very well to beginners. They never refuse to help, with the right approach).
I got a little carried away, ahaha

I put myself in the shoes of the woman who wanted to harm her husband for leaving her betrayed and abandoned at their wedding. I can only imagine the storm of emotions she felt—hatred, anger, depression, sadness, and a thirst for revenge, to name a few. All these emotions likely condensed into a powerful, raw, and intense energy, which might have amplified the ritual’s effect on the man’s subconscious. I still find it hard to believe that something like this could work purely through intent and the belief that the toad physically represented the man’s body. By burying it, she symbolically caused him to suffocate, which manifested in reality. But I guess that’s the “magic of magick”—the power of strong belief combined with intense emotions, condensing into energy that makes it real in the physical world. I wonder what other objects she might have used—perhaps a shirt, underwear, or hair—but surely, the ritual required a personal item of the man.

My question is: What role does the full moon play in this ritual? If this ritual is real, would it work with another animal, like a mouse? Also, could the ritual backfire on the person performing it if their intentions are malicious?

There are so many fascinating hidden aspects of the world, and I feel like I’m just beginning to uncover them.

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Magic works through directing energy. In its pure state, energy has no intrinsic qualities. It just is. The sorcerer finds ways to gain inordinate amounts of energy and then directs that through a filter which is flavoured in accordance with their goal (this "filter" can include their own emotions - just projecting them outwards as is the case in the ritual you've shared here). In that sense, a demon isn't really external. They're a convector through which energy is pushed which creates changes in accordance with the demon's character (Asmodeus for lust, Abaddon for revenge, etc.). But they are just a filter. Magical traditions are internally consistent sets of filters for playing with energy. The power is coming from the sorcerer.

This does get more complicated when considering that the filters themselves change based on how much they've been played with. If you choose to use, say, Abaddon to bring revenge on someone, you are also conjuring the energetic traces of everything that has been done in that demon's name. This is why you wouldn't invoke Winnie the Pooh in a revenge ritual; that filter has energetic traces which would not be useful for a revenge working.

Thank you for your comment. I imagine that if the woman had tried to perform this ritual on her own, she wouldn’t have been able to. It seems that the sorceress was the one with the power to redirect the energy (from the toad to the man). I’d love to learn more about these kinds of abilities to channel or redirect energy toward others. Are there specific types of meditation that can help develop such powers? Or do they require advanced mental abilities, like telepathy or other heightened states of consciousness?

I remember a couple of years ago, I was thinking intensely about a friend. That same night, I sent her a message, and when she received it, she said, “Wow, I called you with my thoughts!” I asked her why, and she replied, “Because I was just thinking about you and was about to text you.” I was amazed—it felt like our minds were somehow connected. Moments like these make me wonder how powerful the mind can truly be.

 

[silencewaits]

The toad and the man were ritually linked. Sympathetically, the death and suffering of the toad reflected upon the man. He seemed to be choking as the toad ran out of air and asphyxiated.

 

[Libra.Libera]

My four cents:

• Humans are more than capable of causing harm on their own without aid from spirits, or as you say, demons. Spirits just give an extra oomph-- except maybe in the case of possessions but that's a whole debate on its own.
• The curse, as silencewaits alluded to, most likely uses sympathetic magic as its framework. It's a typical framework used in witchcraft. I first learned of sympathetic magic from one of Scott Cunningham's books but I probably won't recommend them for today's beginners. Maybe you can look in the forums for some highly recommended witchcraft books.
• If I understand the details, "on a Friday at midnight" is technically Saturday, which is ruled by Saturn ~ Hades ~ Death, prime time for baneful magic, among other things. If you actually meant 12 AM Friday, then you'll have to ask the sorceress. You could associate it with plenty of things: Friday is ruled by Venus, so maybe it's useful because it's an issue between lovers; or, maybe the sorceress has spirits or magic that would work best on a Friday.
• The full moon is weird since it's not usually associated with baneful magic, but similar to the previous point, you can have so many associations with the full moon that might work: maybe the sorceress works with a spirit that is conjured best on a full moon, or maybe she just picked the full moon for embellishment.

 

[Sabbatius]

Our word, intent and will are much more dangerous than anything within the spirit world. Our lack of willpower with our words alone cause curses upon others around us daily, without our knowledge nor our glancing thought.

We need to be more wise with our word, thought and deed.

 

[silencewaits]

The full moon is weird since it's not usually associated with baneful magic, but similar to the previous point, you can have so many associations with the full moon that might work: maybe the sorceress works with a spirit that is conjured best on a full moon, or maybe she just picked the full moon for embellishment.

Luna can be used in baneful workings, but it differs from using martial energies. It's the difference between conspiring for someone's death and running up to them and beating them down with a sledgehammer. Just like Mars can represent positive things like dynamic energy, assertiveness, and honorable conquest - it can represent violence, wrathful bloodshed, destruction, and anger. It's the same with all of the spheres. Luna in particular is useful in works of enchantment, or what we might call witchcraft. A martial reworking would include things like naming a ram in his (the target's) honor, making long and spite-filled incantations, and slitting said ram's throat - bringing about a sudden, violent, and spectacular end. The toad has long lunar associations in witchcraft. You don't have to be entirely cognizant of every little association if you decide to go by feel. I think of the spheres as a new color, or a new sound (i.e. they express themselves like red is red or G minor is G minor). They are their own thing, they express their own energies. We just create associations and symbols connected with them in order to make them more accessible.