we've been unconsciously conditioned by materialist assumptions (the product of the era we happen to live in) that privilege physical reality over psychic reality, despite Jung's insight that the psyche operates according to its own laws and possesses a reality as concrete and consequential as anything in the "this" world.
I think there's been a misunderstanding, that's my fault. I'm not arguing that psychic phenomena aren't "real", I'm arguing hermetically that
nothing is "real", material or psychic, that both are manifestations of a higher "actually real" reality. In fact in my original post, I said that these demonic entities most often interact with us through the imagination and psyche, however that is
not their origin.
The material is just as non-existent as the psychic reality, both are manifestations, undulations, of a prima-materia. Matter is condensed energy, and energy itself is a relation between positive and negative forces that are, in themselves, a single phenomena. Psychic "reality" is a much more subtle and just as present one as the material, you think as a result of neurons firing in your head and the processes of the material that make up your brain and sensory organs, but thinking itself is just an analysis program that runs on words, it isn't the whole - or even center of your experience - and based on how you think about a situation, you feel certain colors of emotions, which are just as real and not real. Emotions are a single thing that takes on many different forms, like water, and thoughts are the glass that shape it; if one person sees another getting hit, one person will feel compassionate sorrow and another will feel an elating sense of justice. Because of this, you could argue that emotions in themselves are a kind of prima-materia that take shape just as physical reality does with energy.
You could likely tell by my profile picture that I'm a fan of Jung and understand to a degree what he was talking about, but he never really honed in on the underlying source underneath all phenomena, he had no ground, and so he was thrown about by psychic activities to a level most of us couldn't imagine, to a point where his inner world was just as real as the outer world. The fact that he was able to attune to his psychic world doesn't change anything of what I was saying, or imply that the psychic world is more real or better than the outer world.
The insistence that demons, angels, gods, whatever must exist as completely objective, external beings is ultimately a psychological cope - it can be a terrifying possibility that we ourselves might be the primary source of both the divine and demonic forces in our lives is so unbearable that we'd rather populate the universe with independent entities than face the full weight of our own psychological depths.
This statement is a little amusing, as relegating all divine & demonic beings as psychic phenomena and purely internal events that exist solely within us is also a psychological cope, and is human self-centered arrogance in it's own right. I fire back that this kind of nihilistic "we are the only form of sentient life in the universe" nonsense is illogical, given how ancient and incomprehensible the cosmos is even in this scientific age. The external world shapes our inner world to a profound degree, and aside from cases of insanity, they mirror each other. Would it not make sense that beings who exist that are made of intangible substances, could have influence and interact with us through intangible means, such as the psyche, yet also have an existence from without it?
anyone who has even scratched the surface of their own unconscious knows it contains entire universes, having seemingly infinite depth and ability to shape our experienced reality that the question of external entities becomes almost secondary.
The question of external entities becomes secondary? This sounds like madness, of falling into the mind at the expense of objective reality, much like Jung did. I am aware of the vastness of the inner world, but it is just as infinite as the external world. Your condition places you at the
center of both worlds, you have infinity all around you, to prize one over the other is silly.
There are many traditions that call the universe a "dream", that the underlying quantum field that time & space itself can melt into is "mind". This theory is in your favor, meaning that dreams are just as real as reality itself, however that makes the objective reality just as real as well.
Your argument or theory doesn't disprove the objective existence of demonic or angelic hyperdimensional entities. I would like to elaborate further: spiritual development is a movement towards "the Self", and there are two ways - that I know of - to do this, that is to go internally and know the capital-S-Self of existence through your own inner flame that is a spark of it, or by going externally and recognizing the same self in all beings and creation, at all levels of creation. You could argue that by the nature of the paths, one is inherinetly self-centered and selfish, while the other is all-centered and selfless. Demonic entities would simply be beings who are going down the Left Hand Path, those who become powerful by a connection with the Self through themselves at the expense of all others. They could be beings who have risen from materiality, or having been intangible since the beginning of material creation, in fact, I believe existence was going on
before the Big Bang, and that was simply the beginning of time as we understand it in this material universe, because "something" existing from "nothing" makes a lot less sense than material existence having roots in an already existing immaterial one, who knows. I'm simply saying that non-tangible beings are more than likely out there, they don't just exist in your head, that our psyches are
not the center of the universes.
I'm sorry for bringing about this feud.
Don't be silly, forums exist for debate and the sharing of conflicting ideas.
not even a quarter into this “conversation” you started clearly being rude….not even an argument there. It’s not even about just Demons—I’m talking about Spirits in general.