[Help] Spirit Guide against me joining the Freemasons, warns me not to?

[Ruzarik]

Been on a wild spiritual journey these past few months, and throughout all of this I had decided why not visit the local lodge and apply to join.

Being a complete moron I didn't know the masons have anything to do with the occult, I'm into history and patriotic and knew they have major ties into significant American historical moments so I figured why not learn first hand experience. At the time (few months ago) I had thought it would be good to join and learn what it's about and maybe understand more about my country's inner workings and history, as I was simultaneously going through this bizarre spiritual awakening that I did not expect. It was kind of a spur of the moment thing and I did not think they were at all related.

Throughout the multiple meditations I've done both with a psychic channeler, a hypnotist and also by myself, I've been able to visit this dream like realm that is somehow more real than my normal waking life. I've met my higher self many times and my spirit guide many times.
I'm not sure what this realm is called, but it's like an alternate dimension? I'm not sure if gnosis or the Akash is what's its called? But I've read others describe similar experiences when reaching deep meditation or the Gateway Tapes for example... Kind of like astral projection but I know I'm still in my body if that makes sense...

Either way, my spirit guide has been teaching me and showing me these things in this realm, trying to get me to learn as much about it as I could as quickly as I could, saying that I "need to become adept as soon as possible"... after I had one of these sessions where I asked my higher self and my spirit guide directly, what their thoughts were about me looking to join the Freemasons, my higher self just smirked in silence and didn't answer and my spirit guide shrugged and pointed at my left foot, I looked down and saw a sword stuck in my foot into the ground, and she said I basically stabbed myself in the foot. She's since not been as available to me or eager to meet with me in this realm as before and warned me against joining them and insisted that "she teach me instead"

Trying to dig into why she may have said this, I read up a lot more about them from the books on this site as well as other sources (trying to ignore the various conspiracy theories about them since I'd rather hear it from the horses mouth) and realized they are very occult and it may not have been a coincidence that I felt like joining them when I was also going through what seemed like to me as totally unrelated spiritual experiences.

I've not joined yet but put in the application and have not been initiated.

Question:

A. I'm having a hard time reaching this dream like state ever since, and am curious if they could be blocking me, or simply not assisting me, or if it's just me getting in my own head about it all?

B. wondering what their motivations would be to not have me join?

C. Are the masons not a positive or "of love and light" organization? (Should I be giving these conspiracy theory videos more credit?)

D. What would you do in this situation?

Thank you all in advance.

 

[iseht]

The freemasons are a social club largely populated by people who are only there to network and hang out. They are quite far from a "love and light" group and not really an occult group, even if they retain the appearances of possessing secret knowledge and an inner order its not really what they are about. Maybe more of a "whiskey and cigars" group. You might want to look at actual occult orders like the Golden Dawn.

 

[Firetree]

Been on a wild spiritual journey these past few months, and throughout all of this I had decided why not visit the local lodge and apply to join.

Being a complete moron I didn't know the masons have anything to do with the occult, I'm into history and patriotic and knew they have major ties into significant American historical moments so I figured why not learn first hand experience. At the time (few months ago) I had thought it would be good to join and learn what it's about and maybe understand more about my country's inner workings and history, as I was simultaneously going through this bizarre spiritual awakening that I did not expect. It was kind of a spur of the moment thing and I did not think they were at all related.

Throughout the multiple meditations I've done both with a psychic channeler, a hypnotist and also by myself, I've been able to visit this dream like realm that is somehow more real than my normal waking life. I've met my higher self many times and my spirit guide many times.
I'm not sure what this realm is called, but it's like an alternate dimension? I'm not sure if gnosis or the Akash is what's its called? But I've read others describe similar experiences when reaching deep meditation or the Gateway Tapes for example... Kind of like astral projection but I know I'm still in my body if that makes sense...

Either way, my spirit guide has been teaching me and showing me these things in this realm, trying to get me to learn as much about it as I could as quickly as I could, saying that I "need to become adept as soon as possible"... after I had one of these sessions where I asked my higher self and my spirit guide directly, what their thoughts were about me looking to join the Freemasons, my higher self just smirked in silence and didn't answer and my spirit guide shrugged and pointed at my left foot, I looked down and saw a sword stuck in my foot into the ground, and she said I basically stabbed myself in the foot. She's since not been as available to me or eager to meet with me in this realm as before and warned me against joining them and insisted that "she teach me instead"

Trying to dig into why she may have said this, I read up a lot more about them from the books on this site as well as other sources (trying to ignore the various conspiracy theories about them since I'd rather hear it from the horses mouth) and realized they are very occult and it may not have been a coincidence that I felt like joining them when I was also going through what seemed like to me as totally unrelated spiritual experiences.

ALL such groups that have branches ( cells, Lodges, regional bodies , etc . ), the branches will vary and focus more on one thing or another ; be more or less competent , etc.

The first 3 degrees are not 'occult' or 'magical' , in essence they teach morals and ethics and the 'way for a man to make his way in the world ' ... and according to those 3 degrees - 'The Blue Lodge ' - that is all there is . Except there is more , many more degrees, in the 'Royal Arch Lodges ' - the Red Lodge , where it is a bit more esoteric and one might meet more esoteric minded people .

If you main aim is to find out more about this in relation to your country and founding ; that goes right back to 'the enlightenment ' , the overthrowing of the 'church state ' , political masonry , etc etc . You can read up on all that without joining ... and a Freemason should read up on that as well .

I've not joined yet but put in the application and have not been initiated.

Question:

A. I'm having a hard time reaching this dream like state ever since, and am curious if they could be blocking me, or simply not assisting me, or if it's just me getting in my own head about it all?

Ever since when ? Having that communication where they smirked and pointed , or since you filled in the application ?

A sword through the foot into the ground is an interesting symbol . What do you think it means ?

B. wondering what their motivations would be to not have me join?

Have they been tested ? I ask as ; 'higher self smirked at you ' ? Also 'need to become adept asap ' .. with no further advice ? Went off in a huff because you asked about an idea you have ?

Q. Do you feel you can immerse yourself , experience and not 'lose yourself in it ' ?

C. Are the masons not a positive or "of love and light" organization? (Should I be giving these conspiracy theory videos more credit?)

Why would you not do some VALID research before taking such a step to find out what , at least they say, they are doing ? Such questions like the above would surely be answered . Since it appears you didn't do this , that could explain your 'guides' reactions ?

D. What would you do in this situation?

I would have already studied what they do and then try to find out about the lodge where I was being initiated

Eg, the local one is all but defunct with a few dotty old men left . others are vibrant and active .

Thank you all in advance.