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Studying the Monas Hieroglyphica by John Dee

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I been studying the Monas Hieroglyphica from John Dee, mainly through a video series on YouTube by Dr Teresa Burns, she also has a book.

Was wondering if anyone been through the 24 Theorems, and what they think or experienced as they contemplated the glyph and the various subjects being conflated in them.

John Dee suggests that the Hieroglyphic Monad is ‘alive’ like a living talisman with divine light, and that through contemplation and understanding it, it can imbue the reader with that divine light and understanding, through this ascent to the Good.

To expand on what is meant by the Good, John Dee does not always explicitly tell you that he is conflating Plato’s Timaeus, with Genesis (Latin Vulgate Bible), and Christian Kabbalah with Mathematical/Geometrical work, he expects the audience to already know these different works and contexts. There is a bunch of more context to it, like different Alchemical works. The goal of the glyph is to unify all of these into a coherent understanding and act like a mnemonic device.

There is much more to touch on and dive into since the work is ‘succint’ but packed with meaning. So I would like to have conversations about this work.
 

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I've read it a few times in different translations, and recently I also went through Terry Burns' YT course as well, but despite all that the text still remains very cryptic to me. There is a lot packed in there indeed, but it is hard to unpack. Besides that I don't really know what else to say about it without delving into specifics.
 

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I've read it a few times in different translations, and recently I also went through Terry Burns' YT course as well, but despite all that the text still remains very cryptic to me. There is a lot packed in there indeed, but it is hard to unpack. Besides that I don't really know what else to say about it without delving into specifics.
The Monas Hieroglyphica starts with Dee greeting Maximilian II, and explains his gift to him which is the glyph itself.

He then talks a bit about the Pythagorean Y, and how as you grow up one can choose to become a tyrant and going after worldly gains, or a ruler inspired by spirit "Philosopher King", which is considered a "rarity". These two paths are the separation you see in the letter Y. It is a "rarity" because Dee says you need to have understanding of the celestial bodies, and also what is beyond them or the "supracelestial". Thats why it is recommended to at least look a bit into his prior work which is the "Propedeumata Aphoristica", and has fundemental teachings on the celestial bodies.

He then goes on and talks about the virtues of the glyph, and alludes to astrological, kabbalistic, biblical, geometrical, alchemical concepts. And talks about sacred languages, Dee was very interested in this idea of an "adamic language", think of his later Enochian work, this idea that nature and creation was governed by a divine language, and in knowing this language one could control the reality to a degree.

He then goes on and lists a bunch of professions that can benefit from studying the glyph. The sign off, before the 24 Theorems itself is where it gets interesting, he talks about this "boundary line" which is from different works of Plato, but there is a differentiation between the physical world, or the "world of becoming" and the "world of being", the world of becoming is about "flux" or change, and the "world of being" is where perfect eternal forms (Platonic Solids) are which the Demiurge or the Wise Craftsman uses to shape the physical universe.

To expand a bit on this "world of being" there is this idea that there are geometric forms existing here, which are perfect, and by contemplating these perfect forms one can bring the world after the "Fall" (The lighting flash of the Sephiroth) or the "world of becoming" into a more refined perfected stater. Which is basically about ascending the Tree of Life or the Sephiroth. So by contemplating the glyph and going through the Theorems, which requires you to visualize and really meditatate on it, you can tap into this "world of being" which is of a spiritual nature, invisible.

Mind you this is only the intro of the letter, I have not even gotten to writing about the Theorems yet, but to conclude the intro part, I feel like the glyph awakens this 4th dimensional aspect within our consciousness, and wonder what you and others think of this? Dr Teresa Burns kinda suggests this as well, this is from her course "Dee believed this mental visualization was crucial, with some suggesting his home in Mortlake would have been filled with "astral clutter" from his genius mind visualizing these forms." Dee alludes to this idea of the 4th or higher dimensions within the Theorems.

I am just making it a bit long here on purpose for those interested in it, I am sure you are familiar with most of this already..
 

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Well, the “nerd shit” is part of the appeal for me. I’d rather spend a few evenings figuring out why a symbol is put together that way than copy it from a book and take someone’s word that it’s powerful. I don’t really see that as time away from practice.
 

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Well, the “nerd shit” is part of the appeal for me. I’d rather spend a few evenings figuring out why a symbol is put together that way than copy it from a book and take someone’s word that it’s powerful. I don’t really see that as time away from practice.
Yeah, both are important, learning and practicing. I find it interesting that John Dee put this on the frontispiece of the Hieroglyphic Monad, "Who does not understand should either learn, or be silent."
 

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While I have been called a dork more than a nerd, I figure I have some contributions and confusions that may be helpful. To save skimming, I can present a small summary thought on the Monas, and that Dee was trying to demonstrate his take on the ancient problem that Christ is the creative Logos, and that this makes "science" as he understood it, to include what we now call magic, possible, without contradicting religious faith. That was a big deal back then, and could cost one's life if one got it wrong. Yeah, the Monas can be linked to Timeus, but with Dee's own flavoring, a thesis that could solve all material, moral and physical problems of his age. Along with this, it could be a key to the Eschaton, the return of Christ, which in the minds of many in this period was just down the road.

There are so many layers to the Monas that I think any modern reader can "find" pretty much what they want, and in terms of inspiration, I think this is a good thing so long as they keep in mind the times and general philosophical track Dee was working in. I can't really speak to "Fourth Dimensionality" only to say that at one time I might have been thinking something similar, but probably because I was also reading Ouspensky at the time - I do not deny that it has useful associations.

Anyways, Dee's background and times tends to get generalized and bracketed out because people want the magic, not the problems and revelations that would bring them closer to the essence of the text. I myself have been looking into the for a while now into the general history of his period and both its theological tensions as well as the emerging sciences, and the problems that were so difficult to reconcile in the 16-17th centuries. One of these tracks, which I think is significant for understanding, is what kind of Christian Dee was, exactly.

As a symbol of transformation, that is, from bridging materialistic mechanism with a more hypostatic rooted form of abstract apprehension, the Monas morphs in so many ways, and my personal tendency falls to, in spite of myself, Proclus' notion that "All things are in all things in their own mode." Pico tried to develop this in a unifying syncretic sense which would be later shared, to some extent, by Dee and other thinkers of his day, but this against the minefield of heresy. Agrippa's influence on Dee, with his notions of scales of activity from natural magician to holy thaumaturge probably inspired Dee to in intense application of mathematical ideas to reconciliation. But Dee wanted to be of use to God as much as as monarchs he appealed to - though in the skrying sessions this takes on the tone of becoming a Prophet in the Biblical sense. In this sense the Monas can be seen as much a call to some kind of action as much as a resume.

At the same time, the rise of skepticism in this period, from both the early modern scientific and theological ground (they could be the same thing) is probably one of the things that drove Dee's considerations. That is, to define the ancient of problem of how the transcendent Absolute One becomes the Many without losing reference to immanence - in Dee's probable mental summation then, Christ as Logos. Generally the trend to come in the following eras was to separate God and Science completely, and even to oppose them to each other in a way somewhat different from medieval oppositions. Dee was kind of in the middle realm of this change.

The perspective I myself am trying to resolve in understanding the Monad (on so many levels) is its resolution in the Theorems to Alpha and Omega, with its theological weight, as applied to so many esoteric topics in a mechanical sense. The Monas contains and resolves this, in Dee's mind, by affirmation of immanence as capable of bridging the gap to transcendence - important for soteriology, but also as justification for examinations into Nature. Not only this, but the notion that one single glyph could be used as a root theorem for solving all the problems of Nature while staying with the realm of faith - I think this was critical to Dee.

As to magical application (which dovetails with alchemy), I place the Monas as unifying glyph of my Enochian investigations, and this links to my Kabbalistic studies - my own personal reconciliations which I apply to my own productions. Nothing fancy there, but a wellspring of ideas.
 

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While I have been called a dork more than a nerd, I figure I have some contributions and confusions that may be helpful. To save skimming, I can present a small summary thought on the Monas, and that Dee was trying to demonstrate his take on the ancient problem that Christ is the creative Logos, and that this makes "science" as he understood it, to include what we now call magic, possible, without contradicting religious faith. That was a big deal back then, and could cost one's life if one got it wrong. Yeah, the Monas can be linked to Timeus, but with Dee's own flavoring, a thesis that could solve all material, moral and physical problems of his age. Along with this, it could be a key to the Eschaton, the return of Christ, which in the minds of many in this period was just down the road.

There are so many layers to the Monas that I think any modern reader can "find" pretty much what they want, and in terms of inspiration, I think this is a good thing so long as they keep in mind the times and general philosophical track Dee was working in. I can't really speak to "Fourth Dimensionality" only to say that at one time I might have been thinking something similar, but probably because I was also reading Ouspensky at the time - I do not deny that it has useful associations.

Anyways, Dee's background and times tends to get generalized and bracketed out because people want the magic, not the problems and revelations that would bring them closer to the essence of the text. I myself have been looking into the for a while now into the general history of his period and both its theological tensions as well as the emerging sciences, and the problems that were so difficult to reconcile in the 16-17th centuries. One of these tracks, which I think is significant for understanding, is what kind of Christian Dee was, exactly.

As a symbol of transformation, that is, from bridging materialistic mechanism with a more hypostatic rooted form of abstract apprehension, the Monas morphs in so many ways, and my personal tendency falls to, in spite of myself, Proclus' notion that "All things are in all things in their own mode." Pico tried to develop this in a unifying syncretic sense which would be later shared, to some extent, by Dee and other thinkers of his day, but this against the minefield of heresy. Agrippa's influence on Dee, with his notions of scales of activity from natural magician to holy thaumaturge probably inspired Dee to in intense application of mathematical ideas to reconciliation. But Dee wanted to be of use to God as much as as monarchs he appealed to - though in the skrying sessions this takes on the tone of becoming a Prophet in the Biblical sense. In this sense the Monas can be seen as much a call to some kind of action as much as a resume.

At the same time, the rise of skepticism in this period, from both the early modern scientific and theological ground (they could be the same thing) is probably one of the things that drove Dee's considerations. That is, to define the ancient of problem of how the transcendent Absolute One becomes the Many without losing reference to immanence - in Dee's probable mental summation then, Christ as Logos. Generally the trend to come in the following eras was to separate God and Science completely, and even to oppose them to each other in a way somewhat different from medieval oppositions. Dee was kind of in the middle realm of this change.

The perspective I myself am trying to resolve in understanding the Monad (on so many levels) is its resolution in the Theorems to Alpha and Omega, with its theological weight, as applied to so many esoteric topics in a mechanical sense. The Monas contains and resolves this, in Dee's mind, by affirmation of immanence as capable of bridging the gap to transcendence - important for soteriology, but also as justification for examinations into Nature. Not only this, but the notion that one single glyph could be used as a root theorem for solving all the problems of Nature while staying with the realm of faith - I think this was critical to Dee.

As to magical application (which dovetails with alchemy), I place the Monas as unifying glyph of my Enochian investigations, and this links to my Kabbalistic studies - my own personal reconciliations which I apply to my own productions. Nothing fancy there, but a wellspring of ideas.
I appreciate the detailed response, you done a great job in capturing the context and time in which the Monas Hieroglyphica was written. I mainly studied the Monas Hieroglyphica through the video series from Dr Teresa Burns, she has worked on it for a bunch of years, her aim was to compress that information, she made sure to give as much context as possible for the modern reader to understand the cultural climate so I am somewhat familiar with what you mentioned. The challange is really getting into the mind of the John Dee.

Since I already touched a bit on introduction or the letter to Maximilian II, which gives the reader lots of allusions, worldplay, puns, context for the Theorems, I will attempt to move the discussion towards the Theorems themselves.

What Dee essentially does is conflate the glyph with a bunch of cosmogenic theories throughout Theorems 1-10 and tries to unify them, lets take Theorem 1, 2 and 3 for example without making it long winded, so bare in mind I am not giving the whole context:

Theorem 1
By virtue of the straight Line and Circle,1 the First and Most Simple manifestation of all things, non-existent or merely hidden in the veils of Nature,2 is produced in Light.3

1. This refers to the compass and straightedge, which are the required tools for doing ancient Greek geometry. Every theorem in the Monas Hieroglyphica is intended to be visualized and executed as a problem using these two tools.
2. While the line and circle are two-dimensional, Dee often flips between frames of reference. A circle should also be visualized as a sphere, and a line as a ray that rushes out infinitely from a point to create the universe. This links to Plato’s Timaeus, where the universe is created in the all-containing form of a sphere, and to Aphorism 4 of Dee’s own Propaedeumata Aphoristica, which states that everything emits rays spherically to fill the universe.
3. The phrase "produced in light" (in lucem) is a direct reference to Genesis ("Fiat Lux") and establishes the Monas as a cosmogenic text—one that explains how the cosmos were created. This "light" is also the piercing light of first creation found in the Sefer Yetzirah, which rushes down to create the Kabbalistic tree.

Theorem 2
Neither the Circle without the Line, nor the Line without the Point can be skillfully4 produced. Therefore, pierced by way of the Monad,5 things are first begun. And that which is related to the periphery can in no way be employed without it.6

4. The word "skillfully" (artificiose) is a Latin pun on "art" and "artisan". It is an allusion to the Demiurge (the Wise Craftsman) from Plato’s Timaeus, who constructs the universe using geometric forms.
5. The term "Monad" (Monas) is used here instead of "point" because it represents a "One that contains all things". The word "pierced" refers to the "sharp, pointy things" like Mercury/Stilbon mentioned on the work's frontispiece, which pierce creation so that light may rush in. Philosophically, this implies that all creation arises from and eventually returns to this ultimate unity.
6. This sentence echoes Euclid’s Book I, Postulates I and III, which concern the geometric necessity of a point to construct a line and a line to construct a circle. Additionally, the line is referred to as a recta, a term that implies not only a straight line but moral rectitude—an upright soul striving toward the Good. In geometry, recta also refers to a right angle (90 degrees).

Theorem 3
Therefore, the Remarkable Central Point of the HIEROGLYPHIC MONAD refers to EARTH,7 around which the SUN, MOON, and remaining Planets complete their own Courses. And in this duty, because the SUN itself assumes the highest dignity,8 we designate it (because of its excellence) by a Complete Circle with a Visible Center.9

7. While this sounds geocentric, "Earth" represents the point of observation. In the Renaissance, astrology was "applied astronomy," and since the practitioner is standing on Earth, the chart is naturally Earth-centered to track how celestial forces act upon the individual. Kabbalistically, this central point represents Malkuth, the physical realm.
8. The Sun is given "highest dignity" because it symbolizes Gold in alchemy and Tiphareth (the heart of the tree) in Kabbalah. The symbol—a circle with a dot—is also an early Pythagorean symbol for the Monad itself.
9. This "Visible Center" is the divine spark of creation. Dee introduces the mystical concept that "God is a circle whose center is everywhere and its circumference nowhere," a saying attributed to Nicholas of Cusa and Empedocles. This implies the center can shift, a concept that becomes essential when Dee later addresses the challenge of "squaring the circle".

Sidenote: The glyph can be superimposed on the Sefirot, you realize this as you go through the Theorems, Dee draws it upside down later on.
 

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Seems like a bunch of nerd s**t. I'm more of an occult practitioner, not an occult scholar. What are the practical applications of this? You get closer to the godhead or something?
If you can understand what you are "preaching" to yourself, you can understand what you're getting into much better. That's the bright side of studying things deep. You know what you're getting into and do not simply let the current get to you.
 
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