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You should read 2 of Thomas Karlssons books - "Qabalah, Qlipoth and Goetic Magic" and "Black Mass: The Sabbatic Tradition of Shaitan and the Sexual Sorcery of the Qliphotic Dark Paths". If the Qlipoth has hitherto been something not entirely developed, well, with his investigation and lifetime dedication to it, it certainly is something much more alive now.
I read one of those books, I should probably re-read it the "Qabalah, Qlipoth and Goetic Magic", it was part of the reading for the Dragon Rouge course I found. Reading a book from different parts of your path can gain you more insights.
I'm going to look for a scan of the Black Mass book if not on the many telegram servers I'm on, then on here.
I read one of those books, I should probably re-read it the "Qabalah, Qlipoth and Goetic Magic", it was part of the reading for the Dragon Rouge course I found. Reading a book from different parts of your path can gain you more insights.
I'm going to look for a scan of the Black Mass book if not on the many telegram servers I'm on, then on here.
For what it's worth, some Satanists claim that approaches that try to bind and control demons naturally piss the latter off. (Steve Savedow has some vivid accounts of his experiences with this.) Groups like Joy of Satan use less confrontational approaches. (Though I have my reservations about the order's general ethos.) Some groups like O9A and Temple 88, likewise, renounce the whole "controlling" approach. The former is pretty straight up: no control is possible and this is a dangerous business so get used to it.
You should read 2 of Thomas Karlssons books - "Qabalah, Qlipoth and Goetic Magic" and "Black Mass: The Sabbatic Tradition of Shaitan and the Sexual Sorcery of the Qliphotic Dark Paths". If the Qlipoth has hitherto been something not entirely developed, well, with his investigation and lifetime dedication to it, it certainly is something much more alive now.
The traditions age is now, it will develop a lot. Depending on what happens it could influence the future and the angels might become the new enemy in a popular sense.
Seeing as celestial worship is rather new in comparison to the atavistic nature of mans “recent” past
For what it's worth, some Satanists claim that approaches that try to bind and control demons naturally piss the latter off. (Steve Savedow has some vivid accounts of his experiences with this.) Groups like Joy of Satan use less confrontational approaches. (Though I have my reservations about the order's general ethos.) Some groups like O9A and Temple 88, likewise, renounce the whole "controlling" approach. The former is pretty straight up: no control is possible and this is a dangerous business so get used to it.
I do realize that it's half-fleshed out, which is why I just attribute it to the regular tree. I think the names of the Qlipha did stem from Crowley, such as Gamaliel, however the system, as presented by Aseneth Mason doesn't feel like a concrete system for spiritual development but it seems to primarily utilize entity work to make up for it.
I mean, the concept is intriguing which is why I read and work with it, but I don't feel like it's an opposite tree.
I don't agree with the ancestral Gods thing, as long as you aren't being offensive, you should be able to work with any Gods you feel drawn to, instead of being limited to a God based on your race or heritage.
What is your perspective on the Qlippoth? I'm aware that the Qlippoth that as we understand it is a relatively newer concept, they were just impure shells in Lurinaric Kabbalah dating back to the 15th centuries. I think the first mention of the Qlipoth as a seperate tree is from Kenneth Grant from nightsides of Eden, dating back to 1974, but I have found mentions from books from Dion Fortune of the Klipoth dating back to the 30's.
I work with both the Qlippoth and Hermetic Qabalah and I just view the Qlippoth as unbalanced energies of the regular tree. I do enjoy entity work, but I'm a little disappointed that there aren't a whole lot of correspondences to meditate on and the system feels like it isn't entirely fleshed out.
It's very intense and powerful; I did two separate year-long Qliphothic pathworkings based on Qliphothic Trilogy by Asenath Mason (way better than the TotBL imo) and on VK Jehannum's work. Even hardcore black magicians have a hard time integrating the chaotic energies, but it can be a very effective magical/spiritual system for people who are drawn to demonolatry and who thrive in overcoming challenges.
Okay then. So what is it you want to know about the Qlippoth? Have you tried invoking the entities in order through VK Jehannums rituals? What dream diary do you keep on a daily basis?
My perspective was to leave it alone. Their house, their rules.
777 has more than enough correspondences.
Work with The Book of Sitra Achra, being specifically on the Qliphoth. The "Emissary" chapter is an advanced system initiating you into deeper comprehension on the Qliphoth.
Said book comes directly from Qliphothic sources ("N.A-A.218" is a "non-human author"; "Qliphothic Grimoire Generator"); so said sigil system is of very high functionality.
Each Sephiroth relates to a planetary energy . When we incarnate we 'descend down' through the 'spheres' (planetary influences ) and pick up those energies . The Sephiroth are the paths to illumination in that sphere of influence , their negative aspects are the Qliphoth that lead to ignorance .
Eg . Venus can be love . Opposite can be obsession . Mercury can be a quick analytical mind , opposite can be over critical thinking .
Just like Ps for Ps *
( paths of Yoga and Magick )
Gnana-Yoga.
Union by Knowledge. Study texts and systems ( eg Qabalah ) - insanity
Raja-Yoga.
Union by Will. 'Sacred Magick' ( trials and ordeals of initiation ) - obsession
Bhakta-Yoga.
Union by Love. Invocations and devotions - fanaticism
Hatha-Yoga.
Union by Courage. trials and ordeals ( of initiation ) - fear
add Mantra-Yoga.
Union through Speech. Incantations - 'addiction' to gossip' and talking nonsense
Karma-Yoga.
Union through Work. Acts if service - laziness
- we used to have a temple 'tracing board' ** on this in the form of a mandala , that our group's artist painted ; each path was a colored segment in a circle , the centre was white and labelled 'illumination' the outer ring was black and labelled ignorance .
** a tracing board is a symbolic visual representation design of specific teachings or rituals ; eg Harris's ( the Thoth deck designer and painter ) 3rd degree tracing board for Co-masonry ;
What is your perspective on the Qlippoth? I'm aware that the Qlippoth that as we understand it is a relatively newer concept, they were just impure shells in Lurinaric Kabbalah dating back to the 15th centuries. I think the first mention of the Qlipoth as a seperate tree is from Kenneth Grant from nightsides of Eden, dating back to 1974, but I have found mentions from books from Dion Fortune of the Klipoth dating back to the 30's.
I work with both the Qlippoth and Hermetic Qabalah and I just view the Qlippoth as unbalanced energies of the regular tree. I do enjoy entity work, but I'm a little disappointed that there aren't a whole lot of correspondences to meditate on and the system feels like it isn't entirely fleshed out.
I know this is a late reply but I saw this because I've been looking at the Qlippoth and Sefirot lately and reflected on your question and some of the statements I've been seeing.
I do agree on a few points that you and others have made. The points I agree with, it not being as "fleshed out" as you put it, the Qlippoth being unbalanced energies, not having a lot of correspondences. I've thought about this and here's how I'm seeing it. Before I get into this, I'm not an expert at all, so just take everything I offer here with a grain of salt.
The Qlippoth, as you likely know is meant to reflect the shadow, false identities, imbalanced self beliefs/external beliefs etc. It also emphasizes individuation, destabilization of the false self, etc; All of these things are very personal/subjective and based very much on the person because each person is different, so too, will there shadow, ego, fears, false identities be. With the Qlippoth being a Left Hand path and focusing more on the individual, as stated before, that makes it far more subjective and personal to each person and their life experience which is to be expected as a path that is meant to be more focused on the individual; that subjectivity is less widely agreed upon because as expected, different people have different ego's, fears, beliefs, false identities, and as a result, that subjectivity is what gives the Qlippoth its less concrete, less "fleshed-out" path or style of working because each persons individual path is going to be more unique to each individual person.
In contrast, The Sephirot is based on virtues like wisdom, understanding, beauty, strength, mercy; All of these things are for the most part widely human/archetypal qualities that most people could widely agree on as "Universal" as far as the human experience goes. That very much goes in line with how Right Hand Path structures function; Universality, surrender to Divine structure, union with God, alignment with "Cosmic Law" etc. As stated before, these values are more widely agreed upon, that's what gives them their "fleshed-outness" or their "concreteness"
To me, It makes sense that the qlippoth would feel or seem less fleshed out because it is, but to me, that is part of its nature because the path depends on you, the individual, where as the sefirot is more fleshed out because it is its nature as its dependent on a more agreed upon set of values because by its very design, it surrenders to a "higher order" or "cosmic law"
In the Qlippoth, You, in a sense, decide the cosmic law as it pertains to you, requiring you to do some inner work and soul searching.
In the Sefirot, the Cosmic Law has already been determined and the path laid out for you by a higher power, so it depends on the individual far less.
Each Sephiroth relates to a planetary energy . When we incarnate we 'descend down' through the 'spheres' (planetary influences ) and pick up those energies . The Sephiroth are the paths to illumination in that sphere of influence , their negative aspects are the Qliphoth that lead to ignorance .
Eg . Venus can be love . Opposite can be obsession . Mercury can be a quick analytical mind , opposite can be over critical thinking .
Just like Ps for Ps *
( paths of Yoga and Magick )
Gnana-Yoga.
Union by Knowledge. Study texts and systems ( eg Qabalah ) - insanity
Raja-Yoga.
Union by Will. 'Sacred Magick' ( trials and ordeals of initiation ) - obsession
Bhakta-Yoga.
Union by Love. Invocations and devotions - fanaticism
Hatha-Yoga.
Union by Courage. trials and ordeals ( of initiation ) - fear
add Mantra-Yoga.
Union through Speech. Incantations - 'addiction' to gossip' and talking nonsense
Karma-Yoga.
Union through Work. Acts if service - laziness
- we used to have a temple 'tracing board' ** on this in the form of a mandala , that our group's artist painted ; each path was a colored segment in a circle , the centre was white and labelled 'illumination' the outer ring was black and labelled ignorance .
** a tracing board is a symbolic visual representation design of specific teachings or rituals ; eg Harris's ( the Thoth deck designer and painter ) 3rd degree tracing board for Co-masonry ;
That sounds cool but I still don't really got it. Considering the Qliphoth as "negative" counterparts of the "positive" Sephiroth, how and why do you integrate them in your work?
And could you further elaborate on the tracing boards and their purpose?
That sounds cool but I still don't really got it. Considering the Qliphoth as "negative" counterparts of the "positive" Sephiroth, how and why do you integrate them in your work?
Well technically they are 'shells' that no longer have a current running through them . We might look at religion or political party ; when they start off they are vibrant and moving towards an inspired purpose , but over time they can become 'empty' of the original impetus and purpose and be a 'hollow' institution that exists only to serve itself .
So by me calling sephiroth / qjippoth + and - is just 'stuff I made up ' But if we take those titles away and look at the dynamic I outlined , that is a pretty basic hermetic schemata of incarnation, descent , progression by working on 'clearing' , being aware of and utilizing the energies correctly * of each planetary 'plane' . And since I use Hermetic Qabalah and not Traditional jewish Qabalah , the connection seemed obvious .
I integrate them by attributing them to parts of the psyche on a map I have made that is like a Tree of Life , except its closer to a personal model base on psychology , the main difference was , I moved Mars ' down ' ;
It's basis is ( like most hermetics alchemy and magick ) the Unification of Sun and Moon , so the Sun is the center and ego/personality / consciousness .
Below that is the Moon (sphere ) representing the unconscious .
Around the Moon are the three inner and 'personal' planets ; Mars and Venus as the basic anima / animus , fight / flight, passive / active drives , as a base line and base of a triangle around the Moon . This forms the basic unconscious . Above them, at the peak of the triangle is Mercury , their mediator and being psychopomp , enables communication between Moon and Sun spheres . ( The mediator is a huge boon ; dont get stuck on that to and fro, = - line { especially in things like a conflict in a relationship } approach it from above and the mercurial perspective .)
Above the Sun is the superconscious world that can send info down to consciousness (often via an 'unconscious rebound effect' , or direct as illuminative experience ) the 'gateway' (or as some astrologers call it ; 'the valve ' ) to there is through the 'pillars' of the Jupiter / Saturn polarity , these plus sun make the 2nd triad .
Above that is the third triad of the outer or trans personal planets ; Pluto being in the column above Mars - being it's higher octave , Neptune above Venus as that higher octave and at the apex Uranus ... source, innovation , electrical current , lightning , individuality , breaking through to establish new structures that foster progress and freedom .
One example of use ; very simple and from the past , I have gone beyond this now but it might serve as an example ;
each sepiroth got a name and each qlippoth got a name , so in my case being want to be overcritical , I called that mercurial qlippoth
'Disrupt-or' ( yeah, I know , sounds like a comic book superhero baddie ) if he arose unwanted i would give him a dressing down internally verbally , or if it was an 'intrusion' from disruptive violent Mars ; ''Pull ya head in ! Not appropriate ! I will call you up and let you lose next time I see some dork beating on a weaker innocent .''
I like to read my Mars poetry , to instuct it how to behave ;
'' This is Mars ;
cites.
This is the day which down the void abysm
At the Earth-born's spell yawns for Heaven's despotism,
And Conquest is dragged captive through the deep;
Love, from its awful throne of patient power
In the wise heart, from the last giddy hour
Of dead endurance, from the slippery steep,
And narrow verge of crag-like agony, springs
And folds over the world its healing wings.
Gentleness, Virtue, Wisdom, and Endurance–
These are the seals of that most firm assurance
Which bars the pit over Destruction's strength;
And if, with infirm hand, Eternity,
Mother of many acts and hours, should free
The serpent that would clasp her with his length,
These are the spells by which to reassume
An empire o'er the disentangled doom.
To suffer woes which Hope thinks infinite;
To forgive wrongs darker than death or night;
To defy Power, which seems omnipotent;
To love, and bear; to hope till Hope creates
From its own wreck the thing it contemplates;
Neither to change, nor falter, nor repent;
This, like thy glory, Titan, is to be
Good, great and joyous, beautiful and free;
This is alone Life, Joy, Empire, and Victory! ''
They are a reminder of the lessons , in a visual form, of a ritual or a visual summary of an initiation and used as a sort of visual shorthand reminder , schemata or plan , used to teach, explain or meditate on . Think of a Tarot Trump / Major and the symbols and dynamics of it .
I have used them to help remember a ritual eg ; a drawn circle with the elemental attribution points drawn on it with associations like pentagrams, colors, angels, God names etc . or split them into 4 and have one at each quarter so as you go around you have memory reminders of what to do . Once you have learnt it , you can eliminate them .
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Here is an example of how a tarot card can be a tracing board ;
How do I maintain my power ?
keep that Sun shining and vitalizing your earthy Capricorn energy . Consider your internal 'sacred space ' fortified, moated and with a drawbridge , this is the shell of your psyche , the blue egg containing your body and being . keep it balanced by those 4 elemental energetic towers . Heep it safe and protected from unwarranted intrusions , do not lower the drawbridge and let inappropriate people into your sacred space , but dont keep it ever closed and isolate yourself . Like wise, know when to venture out from your castle and the right time to stay at home , in your space , operate your drawbridge intelligently magically and with wisdom , do not let one of the elemental energies get out of balance and interfere with these decisions .
