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The real reason why Judaism hates Christmas

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Apparently it has a lot to do with pagans, like Slavic rodnovers, than Christians, who were, as they say "enablers of paganism and idolatry".
How am I supposed to think about it, as someone who would like to worship Perun, Weles, Mokosh at some point?
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Please debunk some anti-Pagan claims here.
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EDIT:, OK, you don't have to debunk, if you don't want to, but I feel like my pagan heritage is a bit insulted.
 
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Why should you care about what other people think?
Your practise is your practise.
 
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They claimed that pagans sacrificed people (not saying it's untrue, but does it apply to modern times)?
 
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I'll take the bait.

As @Robert Ramsay said, you shouldn't need to think about what other people think of your practice. As long as you're not breaking any laws. If you just want to worship some gods, go ahead. Do you need anybody's permission?

As for the baitey-part of your post, Judaism doesn't hate Christmas.

In the case this isn't bait, and you genuinely wonder how is Christmas perceived from a Jewish perspective, I believe there is nothing better than jwhia's answer: a fictional letter to a school department about inclusivity of different holidays where Christianity and Judaism are swapped. I have a Christian background, and I find this hilarious:

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I think people don't like xmas because it's a mixture of blind consumerism, really shitty music and aesthetics, and forced cheer- all on the bedrock of an oppressive slave religion.
 
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I think people don't like xmas because it's a mixture of blind consumerism, really shitty music and aesthetics, and forced cheer- all on the bedrock of an oppressive slave religion.
I'm not much of a Christian nowadays,
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I'll take the bait.

As @Robert Ramsay said, you shouldn't need to think about what other people think of your practice. As long as you're not breaking any laws. If you just want to worship some gods, go ahead. Do you need anybody's permission?

As for the baitey-part of your post, Judaism doesn't hate Christmas.

In the case this isn't bait, and you genuinely wonder how is Christmas perceived from a Jewish perspective, I believe there is nothing better than jwhia's answer: a fictional letter to a school department about inclusivity of different holidays where Christianity and Judaism are swapped. I have a Christian background, and I find this hilarious:

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I wonder how is paganism perceived by all abrahamic religions who plan to marginalize pagans. Includes Islam, Christianity and Judaism
 

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I wonder how is paganism perceived by all abrahamic religions who plan to marginalize pagans. Includes Islam, Christianity and Judaism
This just sounds like you've made up a guy in your head to get mad at. Marginalise? Ban them from carol singing or what? I haven't noticed any pagan pogroms recently.
 
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This just sounds like you've made up a guy in your head to get mad at. Marginalise? Ban them from carol singing or what? I haven't noticed any pagan pogroms recently.
Google Noahide laws.
The religions that believe in monotheism will have the best life, according to them.
If not Noahide, then Shariah laws and also Project 2025.
 

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Google Noahide laws.
The religions that believe in monotheism will have the best life, according to them.
If not Noahide, then Shariah laws and also Project 2025.
I guess you believe the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as well?

OK, I guess I know what you are now, for sure. Goodbye.
 

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Tis' true many Christians are extremely judgmental, which has a disgusting amount of irony, especially when some Christians think things that are pretty benign like Yoga, Meditation, and Carl Jung are evil.
It doesn't help the case that people who barley dip their toes into the esoteric and occult world then go back screaming to the church how they didn't know that witchcraft is so evil and terrible. My only question is which craft? Because Meditation can show "The Kingdom within" As Jesus talked about, Yoga is great for stretching and developing a healthy routine, and Carl Jung's method of Shadow Work can be pivotal to help heal trauma.. I mean i wouldn't go advertising his 7 Sermons of the Dead as having any serious psychological methods, nor is it a part of his practice.
It's just as bad when you get a Christian conspiracy theorist then you gotta deal with absolutely everything being "Demonic" Even the number 33 bause of Masons. or the As Above So Below symbol when Christ was basically the human form of that concept as a bridge from the physical and divine.

But I Digress.. Yeah in some parts of the USA the Shariah Law/Muslim population is getting out of control I was born in Michigan and to hear what's becoming of Deerborn is so sad. I Don't want whats happening in the UK to happen here. You get more jail time over there for being racist against them than they get for SA'ing underage girls. There M.O. is They come in peace, They are disadvantaged refugee's they infiltrate the gov't, They then let their colors show of being a wolf in sheep's clothing in whatever area or district they conquer. There has been a sickening amount of fraud when it comes to money sent to help Somali's, and tax payers are taxed out the a--.
I don't really pay much attention to jews although I find it absolutely disgusting how much power they have yet they act like the victims. They were given a country they cannot defend, I read something a rabbi wrote that said "I guess Isreal is the only country that's not allowed to win wars" and it's like mf... America saved the jews in Germany, and we send the country an ungodly amount of money. perhaps its something they are doing that causes the issues and mismanagement of funds.
The whole war on Christmas thing I think is Really ridiculous.
1) it's not even a Christian thing, it was a pagan thing that many of the things we got from Shamans. (Decorating of the tree used to be done with Amanita Mushrooms to dry them, Shamanic reindeer herders would actually feed the reindeer the Amanita mushroom as their liver breaks down the toxins without needing to dry them and it makes it a lot more potent. (although making tea with dried caps, with lemon water and then putting in a powdered pro-biotic leaving it overnight 8-12 hours makes it extremely strong as well, and it's good for about 5 days in the fridge, (vompletley legal btw) it's super amazing to help sleep. but that's all Christmas stuff.. the red and white coloring, the decorating the Christmas tree, the Christmas "Spirit".
2) Jews have Dreidels and Hannukah.
They'll be ok.
 

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I believe abrahamic religions don't want pagans to be around and are constantly character assasinating pagans.
Even most educated people aren't aware that modern pagans exist. For them pagans belong to history books, not the present. Religions have been making disparaging remarks about other religions since the beginning of time, do you really expect that they'll honour and respect yours?
 
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I wonder how is paganism perceived by all abrahamic religions
Their big thing is monotheism. That's literally written in their scriptures, see
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, as well as all the way back to the Noahide laws (although I couldn't find anything in the Torah explicitly prohibiting idolatry for gentiles).

My understanding is that when a religion is based upon the foundation of monotheism being the right path, they won't be too keen on polytheism.
who plan to marginalize pagans
Says who? Also, you're grouping together a big portion of the world's population into one flag, one oversimplified statement. Are all Jews, Christians and Muslims out to marginalize pagans? Of course not. Are some of them? Probably, yes. In my experience as long as you practice in a country with religious freedom, the worst they can do is make fun of you, and who cares, really?
Google Noahide laws.
Again, absolutely nothing there about marginalizing pagans. Just a prohibition against idolatry.
The religions that believe in monotheism will have the best life, according to them.
And who cares? If you believe they will, why don't you become one of them? And if you don't believe it, then great, knock yourself out, there's a world of gods and spirits and entities out there for you to commune with.
If not Noahide, then Shariah laws and also Project 2025.
I have not experienced any pressure from the Noahide community, despite there being dozens of them out there.

I've briefly researched Noahidism before, and what I've gathered is: they want to follow the 7 noahide laws but they feel a bit left out of the cerimonial part of their spirituality. They believe their role is as gentiles and not necessarily as christians or muslims, yet they long for more ceremony. Gentiles that wear tallit for prayer, not necessarily interested to become Jews and take on 613 commandments; yet not willing to take the Torah as merely a prequel to the gospel or the quran.

As for Shariah laws and Project 2025, I think they're both signs of the times we currently live in, the limitation of freedom (I'd put in there EU's chat control, too) is an undeniable trend we're moving more and more towards.
I believe abrahamic religions don't want pagans to be around and are constantly character assasinating pagans.
Once again, they're not too keen on pagans (or idol worshipers, as they would see them). For us who have a christian past (or present), we think of christianity as monotheist, but other monotheists might have a problem with the trinity. If there's only one god, you can't break Her in three entities. Also, in catholicism some saint worship borders on (and sometimes becomes) idolatry.

So your much feared christians, for some monotheists are nothing but pagans.

It's not a simple black-and-white question as it might first appear.

Let's go back to those passages from the Torah:

You shall have no other gods besides Me

If anything, this passage tells us that there are other gods. If there weren't we could not have other gods beside Her. The fact that it is prohibited to have other gods beside Her means there are other gods. Otherwise there would be written something along the lines of "there are no gods but Me".

And, there being other gods, the god of the Torah tells it pretty straight: it is a big deal for me to be the only one for you. It's part of the covenant. Kind of like a partner who tells you, at the beginning of the relationship: no matter what happens between us, as long as you don't cheat on me, we can fix it. Does it mean there are no other people out there you could cheat with? No, it simply set a boundary somewhere, it's up to you to pay any heed to it.

In Judaism idolatry is a big deal: it's more prohibited than other kind of prohibited actions. In Judaism the sacredness of life trumps over all other rules (e.g. you break the jewish law to save a life) except the law on idolatry. If offered the choice between worshiping an idol or death, an observant jew is supposed to chose death. If you drop your purse in front of an idol along the road, you don't bow down to pick it up, as it could be interpreted as you bowing to the idol. You don't drink wine that might have been used in a libation, and you cannot profit from idolatry (i.e.: selling something that is to be used for the worship of idols).

Unless you want to live as an observant jew, christian or muslim, you shouldn't need to pay any heed to the commandments against idolatry.

One last word of reassurance: you're probably under not any active persecution. And if you are (or ever will be), rest reassured that people have kept belief systems and ceremonial practices hidden for a long time, you will probably be fine.
 
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