Thoughts on Mormonisim

[Gregorius]

Its always kinda looked like a scam to me tbh. What do you guys think?

 

[Mars]

Everything revolving around Abrahamic Religions are/ is a scam.

 

[beardedeldridge]

Its always kinda looked like a scam to me tbh. What do you guys think?

No experience with modern day Mormonism but i do like the theory that Joseph Smith was a ceremonial magician. I think John King did a decent interview on the topic. But yeah LDS probably mostly scam.

-Eld

 

[Xenophon]

Try reading their "Book of Mormon." Like Mark Twain remarked, "If it left out the phrase 'And it came to pass,' the thing would be a pamphlet." Uninspired inspired text, as it were. Still and all we would do well to remember the exchange between Woodrow and Gus in Lonesome Dove. Woodrow: "Them Mormon's are strange folks. They got a prophet who an angel gave this Holy Book to, see?" Gus:"Oh. Just like all them other churches."

 

[Gregorius]

Try reading their "Book of Mormon." Like Mark Twain remarked, "If it left out the phrase 'And it came to pass,' the thing would be a pamphlet." Uninspired inspired text, as it were. Still and all we would do well to remember the exchange between Woodrow and Gus in Lonesome Dove. Woodrow: "Them Mormon's are strange folks. They got a prophet who an angel gave this Holy Book to, see?" Gus:"Oh. Just like all them other churches."

Mostly agree but i was more asking if their religion has ang legitamacy in the occult sense

 

[Taudefindi]

Its always kinda looked like a scam to me tbh. What do you guys think?

To me it looks like another religion made-up so those who created it will have control over easilly swayed people.

And of course, as with most monotheistic religions, the male figure is the one in power with the female figure relegated to a subservient position(rather than as equals), which is used as an excuse for women to not have power.

Spoiler: rant

And yeah, the whole harem thing is off-putting, specially if it is true that it seems common for way older men to pick way younger women(if not outright children).

i was more asking if their religion has ang legitamacy in the occult sense

Maybe, maybe not, as religion tends to be a personal thing that may or may not affect an individual.I, as an atheist(or agnostic, or irreligious...labels are confusing sometimes), see this specific religion

Spoiler: personal opinion

as no different than Scientology, in the sense that it has no real spiritual or "occult" value and it is mostly the same as with a cult, a means for few to lord over many with the excuse of their god on their lips.

 

[Xenophon]

Mostly agree but i was more asking if their religion has ang legitamacy in the occult sense

No more than any other Nazarene creed. I have never heard of any Mormon mystic of stature. I'm from Montana and have spent a lot of time in the West where there are more Mormons than prairie dogs (including some cousins of mine.) There are various splinter groups of Mormons back in the hills and out in the desert. Magick does not seem to be much of a sideline. Mormonism's roots in the Second Great Awakening tends to act an an innoculation against magick. Joseph Smith wrote a lot about "the Spirit" (Holy Spirit.) But said spirit seems to have been the peculiar property of the Church's "prophet," and not for popular evocation.

 

[Ziran]

Everything revolving around Abrahamic Religions are/ is a scam.

Everything? Good grief. Thanks for letting me know. Murder, Rape, Theft, and Lying... my favorite vices are back on the menu!

^^ Sarcasm ^^

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Its always kinda looked like a scam to me tbh. What do you guys think?

Mormons are the best resource / repository of information regarding the untied cultural and spritiual roots of the polynesian peoples. That's pretty cool.

The other stuff? I'm not a fan.

 

[Xenophon]

Everything? Good grief. Thanks for letting me know. Murder, Rape, Theft, and Lying... my favorite vices are back on the menu!

^^ Sarcasm ^^

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Mormons are the best resource / repository of information regarding the untied cultural and spritiual roots of the polynesian peoples. That's pretty cool.

The other stuff? I'm not a fan.

Do you mean the Mormons actually researched the peoples in question? Or did they just make room for them in the Mormon mythos? The Mormons have some novel notions about Native American origins for instance, but those notions are pretty much an Evidence Lite mind-beverage.

 

[Robert Ramsay]

Mostly agree but i was more asking if their religion has any legitamacy in the occult sense

IMO most of the monotheistic religions divide into two parts: 1) A moral code (don't murder, don't sleep with your sister etc.) and 2) a half-assed way to do magic to 'make things happen'.

Intent: "oh God please smite my enemies for me if it please your worship" (a lot of chance of your intent being replaced by "gee, I hope this works")
Representation of intent: lighting candles for intent, praying to pictures pasted on a board etc.
Gnosis: maybe you work yourself into a frenzy, maybe you do it the quiet meditation way (see individual sect for details)
Forget about it: "It's God's will"

They don't normally teach it as a magical sequence, so it's even more fragile than usual. Most people will end up missing out one or more steps, because they don't realise that magic is what they are doing.

 

[Konsciencia]

I've heard that most Mormons are Freemasons. Again, that's what I heard. And to top it all up, I used to be a Mormon. It was OK at the time. As far as now, with all the nonsense about the church. I will never want to go back. I'm great where I am at.

 

[Aeternus]

I've heard that most Mormons are Freemasons. Again, that's what I heard. And to top it all up, I used to be a Mormon. It was OK at the time. As far as now, with all the nonsense about the church. I will never want to go back. I'm great where I am at.

Mormons are not Freemasons. To both Catholic and Mormon faiths Freemasons are seen as "evil" due to magic and other stuff. It's just spiritual monopoly at some points, it's blatant already.

You were a Mormon? Dayum, let me get you a virtual coffee ☕️ , as you missed a lot of it during your days as Mormon.

 

[Xenophon]

Mormons are not Freemasons. To both Catholic and Mormon faiths Freemasons are seen as "evil" due to magic and other stuff. It's just spiritual monopoly at some points, it's blatant already.

You were a Mormon? Dayum, let me get you a virtual coffee ☕️ , as you missed a lot of it during your days as Mormon.

Actually a lot of Mormons out West in the U.S. take the various prohibitions with a grain of salt, or---more often---a water chaser or Coke mixer.

 

[Aeternus]

Actually a lot of Mormons out West in the U.S. take the various prohibitions with a grain of salt, or---more often---a water chaser or Coke mixer.

Ya! The only thing I really find stupid about these prohibitions is that they really are exaggerated. Like sure, warn the followers of the dangers of addiction, but to make them totally abstain... that is a no for me.

It is kinda toxic how they proceed

 

[Xenophon]

Ya! The only thing I really find stupid about these prohibitions is that they really are exaggerated. Like sure, warn the followers of the dangers of addiction, but to make them totally abstain... that is a no for me.

It is kinda toxic how they proceed

Scarcely unique. Muslims forbid alcohol with a certain enthusiasm. Hindus don't eat beef. Jews eschew pork. And in Texas, I noticed that Southern Baptists were forbidden to speak to each other when they inadvertently met in a liquor store. Our dear Mormon brethren are in much company, some of it perhaps even good.

 

[Aeternus]

Scarcely unique. Muslims forbid alcohol with a certain enthusiasm. Hindus don't eat beef. Jews eschew pork. And in Texas, I noticed that Southern Baptists were forbidden to speak to each other when they inadvertently met in a liquor store. Our dear Mormon brethren are in much company, some of it perhaps even good.

Guess you are right.

At least they are not like Southern Baptists who would be forbidden to speak to each other if they met at a liquor store.

 

[Xenophon]

Guess you are right.

At least they are not like Southern Baptists who would be forbidden to speak to each other if they met at a liquor store.

I recall driving from Flagstaff to central Montana some years ago. At each nightly stop, I visited the local liquor store. The three---in Arizona, Utah, and Wyoming--- were all Mormon owned. Buddhists teach that one should neither use nor sell alcohol ("Right Livelihood.") The Mormons, oddly enough, aligned with the Order of Nine Angles: you can sell recreational poisons to the weak and the wayward as a sort of activist eugenics.*

*If that is not the official LDS position, I am open to correction.

 

[Aeternus]

I recall driving from Flagstaff to central Montana some years ago. At each nightly stop, I visited the local liquor store. The three---in Arizona, Utah, and Wyoming--- were all Mormon owned. Buddhists teach that one should neither use nor sell alcohol ("Right Livelihood.") The Mormons, oddly enough, aligned with the Order of Nine Angles: you can sell recreational poisons to the weak and the wayward as a sort of activist eugenics.*

*If that is not the official LDS position, I am open to correction.

The stance of the LDS on alcohol consumption states it as it follows:

LDS Church leaders teach that consumption of any form of alcohol, including beer, violates the Word of Wisdom, however, wine was used in the sacrament, and "mild drinks" (beers) were originally allowed.

 

[Xenophon]

The stance of the LDS on alcohol consumption states it as it follows:

LDS Church leaders teach that consumption of any form of alcohol, including beer, violates the Word of Wisdom, however, wine was used in the sacrament, and "mild drinks" (beers) were originally allowed.

I meant their position on the sale of alcohol to non-Mormons. Here, I looked this up: In the 60's the LDS President McKay told the owner of Marriott who asked him re: alcohol sales, "As I see it, Brother Marriott, if you don’t satisfy your customers’ wants and needs, you could be running the same risk (of going out of business.) If liquor today is an essential part of the service that the hotel and restaurant industry offers to its patrons, it seems to me that you’re obliged to sell it to them. To sell it to them doesn’t mean that we approve of drinking...But it is the patron’s life, his money, his right to decide for himself, not ours."

One can call that libertarianism, he can call it sophistry. With a little effort one could rationalize selling heroin and catering kiddy-diddling sex tours to Third World countries. I tend to think the Buddhists and Muslims more consistent here. For that matter, so is O9A---they at least own creating the harmful effects and see these as part of their long-term agenda. The LDS here, with all due respect, reduces a religio-ethical question to a business decision. (Scarcely surprising, given the cultural context, and adding some weight to the position of those setting their face against "civilization.") One could almost say the LDS view here comes straight out of the Gospel According to Milton Friedman.

 

[Konsciencia]

I don't drink alcohol, but once in a while it doesn't hurt for one beer.