Vampire origins in the bible?

[Morell]

If vampires are real, where they did come from? If Bible is real, then it must explain it. I guess that was the thought process of some people.

Some say that Vampires have origins in Judas. After he hanged himself he was cursed and didn't really die, the wood of the tree becoming lethal to vampires, used for the stakes that were put through their heart to kill them. Silver that was used to betray Jesus became unbearable presence for vamps.

Others say that the vamps originate in Cain, who was a murderer. Here the concept is more sexual, as Cain might have spawned first vamps with Lilith as their children... or he was turned into vamp by Lilith becoming first vamp himself.

Even more crazy theory I came upon was that disciples of Jesus drank his blood and since it was so powerful, a divine blood, it turned them into vampires. Judas couldn't bear it and committed a suicide.

What do you think about these modern myths? Do you have some I didn't include here?

 

[Yazata]

Of these three this one sounds "the best" to me

Even more crazy theory I came upon was that disciples of Jesus drank his blood and since it was so powerful, a divine blood, it turned them into vampires.

The sign of the cross then would remind them deep down that even their source died in the flesh. Maybe the original idea behind the wooden stakes would then be from Jesus' cross.

 

[Firetree]

I put my vote in for the earliest one being Yaramayha ,,, who ?

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[Morell]

Of these three this one sounds "the best" to me

The sign of the cross then would remind them deep down that even their source died in the flesh. Maybe the original idea behind the wooden stakes would then be from Jesus' cross.

Cool thinking. Also came to my mind that it would also fit with promise that they will live to see the end of the world.

 

[julio]

The Judas and Cain theories are interesting, though difficult to ascertain. There are spirits in certain traditions of the caribbean such as the socouyant, and another spirit in Brazilian Quimbanda that are considered vampires in the literal sense of the word. In both cases, their vampirism is a “curse” or something that these entities became after death, not before it.

 

[FireBorn]

What about the whole Genesis 6/Nephilim saga?

I don’t subscribe to the Abrahamic belief framework, but I grew up in it, and that part of the story is honestly badass as myth. The Book of Enoch expands it even more with the Watchers descending, taking human women, producing the Nephilim, and teaching forbidden knowledge. Oh, and dont forget about the Book of Giants for the war. Not gonna hear about that in church folks haha.

That whole current is rife with vampire origin possibilities.

A Watcher could have taught humans some forbidden art of extending life through blood. Or one of the Nephilim, being part divine/angelic and part human, could have become the first blood drinking immortal or turned a human into something like that. From there, the “curse” spreads.

That tracks pretty cleanly as a mythic origin: corrupted divine blood, forbidden knowledge, hybrid beings, immortality, appetite, and the crossing of boundaries that were never supposed to be crossed.

Also, side note: I have no idea why someone made a Noah’s Ark movie and didn’t take the Watcher/Nephilim angle full Clash of the Titans/300 rated 'R' CGI insanity. There is absurdly good dark fantasy potential sitting right there, ripe for the taking. (You're welcome world)

 

[Morell]

What about the whole Genesis 6/Nephilim saga?

I don’t subscribe to the Abrahamic belief framework, but I grew up in it, and that part of the story is honestly badass as myth. The Book of Enoch expands it even more with the Watchers descending, taking human women, producing the Nephilim, and teaching forbidden knowledge. Oh, and dont forget about the Book of Giants for the war. Not gonna hear about that in church folks haha.

That whole current is rife with vampire origin possibilities.

A Watcher could have taught humans some forbidden art of extending life through blood. Or one of the Nephilim, being part divine/angelic and part human, could have become the first blood drinking immortal or turned a human into something like that. From there, the “curse” spreads.

That tracks pretty cleanly as a mythic origin: corrupted divine blood, forbidden knowledge, hybrid beings, immortality, appetite, and the crossing of boundaries that were never supposed to be crossed.

Also, side note: I have no idea why someone made a Noah’s Ark movie and didn’t take the Watcher/Nephilim angle full Clash of the Titans/300 rated 'R' CGI insanity. There is absurdly good dark fantasy potential sitting right there, ripe for the taking. (You're welcome world)

Makes sense. Though Nephiim were men of renown and heroes of old (quite a contradiction to giants who ate like blackholes), I'm with Morgue (YT channel Morgue Official) in opinion that they were demonised bybeing described as giants that were so hungry and big, in order to demonise the myths of these great men of other nations.

However on that notion, angels could indeed teach some very powerful knowledge including ways of achieving immortality. One must ask then what did the god do, maybe some curse for those who jsut went to sleep to survive the flood?

Nice one.

...Also it could be that angels shared their blood too in some forbidden rituals. Huh really a lot of potential for good dark fantasy stuff.

 

[Lucien6493]

Cain comes to mind, perhaps as a prototype of the eternal wanderer; the man cursed to walk the earth forever, like the one who was said to have mocked Christ on his way to Golgotha, but like Kundry, folkloric, so extrabiblical. Jewish folklore does have vampires but they are rarely mentioned since the vampire in European folk traditions was pretty much an anti-Semitic blood libel to begin with. The Torah does not mention such creatures, nor does the NT.

 

[Lu_CiD]

If vampires are real, where they did come from? If Bible is real, then it must explain it. I guess that was the thought process of some people.

Some say that Vampires have origins in Judas. After he hanged himself he was cursed and didn't really die, the wood of the tree becoming lethal to vampires, used for the stakes that were put through their heart to kill them. Silver that was used to betray Jesus became unbearable presence for vamps.

Others say that the vamps originate in Cain, who was a murderer. Here the concept is more sexual, as Cain might have spawned first vamps with Lilith as their children... or he was turned into vamp by Lilith becoming first vamp himself.

Even more crazy theory I came upon was that disciples of Jesus drank his blood and since it was so powerful, a divine blood, it turned them into vampires. Judas couldn't bear it and committed a suicide.

What do you think about these modern myths? Do you have some I didn't include here?

did you ever play Vampire the masquerade? the source from that game is pretty neat not what I consider to be at all factual but it involves Cain an Lilith if im not mistaken. its been many years since I've read the book they published on vamp origins. Def wortha read though if you haven't.

 

[Morell]

did you ever play Vampire the masquerade? the source from that game is pretty neat not what I consider to be at all factual but it involves Cain an Lilith if im not mistaken. its been many years since I've read the book they published on vamp origins. Def wortha read though if you haven't.

Didn't play it, but I've visited a lecture on the lore of that game. Never felt like something I would enjoy.

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The lore of the game is vast... and it seems that there the vampiric blood os slowly watering down as the time goes. Like in Tolkien tales, where the world slowly fades into human grayness.

 

[Lu_CiD]

that is a part definitely. im not sure about the new versions however.

the stand alone book called "The Book of Nod" covers vampire creation its a long poem and worth reading alone.

here is an overview from Wikipedia

The book is divided into three main sections:

The Chronicle of Caine: Outlining the events of Caine's exile, through to the great flood of the Bible. These events include the murder of his brother, defiance of God's angels, encounters with Lilith, siring of other vampires, and the founding of the first city.
The Chronicle of Shadows: A collection of various noddist lore, offering advice and commandments, some attributed to Caine, others to the Clan founders. Unlike The Chronicle of Caine, these fragments do not form a cohesive story.
The Chronicle of Secrets: This section offers various portents and omens of the coming end times, known to vampires as Gehenna. While the signs of the end of days are conflicting, several strong themes come through, the most important being the final generations of vampires, shortage of blood due to overcrowding of hunting grounds, and the awakening of the Antediluvians, the most ancient of vampires.

 

[Swampdweller900]

Personally, I think that you would only find vampires named as "demons" in any biblical account. Ancient Mesopotamia and Ancient Hebrew traditions both had blood-sucking demons, called Liliti and Lilith, respectively. Likely connected, and easy to see how in the medieval era some monk 9 ales into the day might have penned a tale of Cain and Lilith as the demonic Bonnie and Clyde in the ancient world. But the Bible gets very vague about many categories of demons, and borrows a lot from Babylon.

Ancient Egypt didn't have any similar full on undead blood suckers per se, but Ancient Greece had blood eaters who were sort of not undead, but not fully living. Considering how many people used to get burred alive, I'd say that medically, hard to really tell. Gray area, could work to place them in the context and geography enough to call them "demons" and say they were there. Then again, if I time traveled back there right now, I would also be labeled a demon and maybe stonned to death pretty quickly.

In the NT, if you really wanted, it's possible to interpret the tale of the Wandering Jew as having been cursed with immortality, and it simply doesn't mention that blood and nightwalking is part of that. As for Judas, I think you could make a case for him as a vampire because he did drink of the blood and then died. Sounds like catch-22 where his immortality could hiccup and produce an undead wonderer that needs more and more blood of good Christian boys and girls to satiate his thirst for a communion, lest his waste away and finally fully go to hell.