[Official] WF is NOT a cute little safe space. How warnings are given.

[SkullTraill]

Over the years, I’ve seen a lot of people complain about what does/does not get warnings, comparisons of warnings lengths, being too strict/not strict enough, etc. WF has been labeled an antisemetic forum, a transphobic forum, a Nazi forum, and most recently, a zionist forum (hilarious).

On my end, I expect all of this. I fully understand this is part and parcel of running an open community. I personally couldn’t care less what people label WF (or me) as because I know it’s not true. I have extremely strong niche, controversial, (some would call) unpleasant personal and political opinions. However, they do not leak into how WF is run. I think that’s evidenced by how many contrasting and sometimes polar opposite labels people give WF. Again, I do not care.

I’m making this thread for the snowflakes who do not understand how the warning system works and what the philosophy of WF is.

The only stance WF takes (political or otherwise) is that occult knowledge should be disseminated, shared, and encouraged as much as possible. WF is to welcome as many people as possible in this endeavor, and maintain a smooth and focused old school forum style community. To that end, we have rules.

Now, most of the rules are pretty self explanatory and don’t cause much controversy/backlash, so I won’t go over them (read the rules thread and you should understand why they exist - if not, ask about it below). However, there are a few rules/warning types that are constantly embroiled in controversy and angst, so let me cover those here (specifically in relation to political/controversial anti-/-isms).

Off Topic:
NOWHERE in any of the rules is any particular political viewpoint banned. Do you hate women and beat them in your free time? Welcome to WF. Do you hate black people and support the KKK? Welcome to WF. Do you hate jews, think they did 9/11 and deny the holocaust? Welcome to WF. Are you some IDF soldier who wants to wipe out all the babies in Palestine? Welcome to WF. You can have whatever political viewpoint imaginable. Just remember this: WF is an occult forum. There is no section to discuss beating women or killing children, just as there is no section to discuss eugenics or antisemitism. So when you post those things, you will be warned for being off topic because they are not topics WF is meant to support. WF is for occult discussion and a few other limited adjacent/fun topics.

This is the lightest kind of warning because these are your thoughts and opinions, and while they are not relevant to WF, you’re allowed to have them, and other people must TAKE offense to them. They cause no physical harm to anyone, and no mental harm directed at a WF member specifically

(Trigger warning: slurs ahead)

Insult/Verbal Abuse:
This does NOT apply every time your feelings get hurt. This is specifically for the use of slurs and name calling (nigga, goyim, faggot, tranny etc). The reason we have this rule is so that conversations, no matter how inflammatory do not turn into some shit flinging contest where all everyone does is personally attack each other. The reason this doesn’t fall into off topic is because around 10-20% of anyone’s post is allowed to be off topic so as to allow people to add context and a bit of personality to their posts. That means obviously people could have 5% of their posts be slurs which unlike having a personal political opinion is directly attacking/insulting another WF member.

This is a more serious warning because while it still causes no physical harm, the mental harm is directed at a WF member specifically.

Threat/Attack/Violent:
This is the most serious one, because you are threatening physical harm. Whether to someone on WF or not, this is taken very seriously. If you say you’re going to burn a church or cause anal ache to someone (real examples btw), you will be warned under this category.

To summarize:

• Cause no harm whatsoever, fully on topic: great, love this, rewarded.
• Indirect mental harm, but on topic: not great, but WF isn’t the thought police.
• Indirect mental harm, but off topic: warned for off topic.
• Directed mental harm, on/off topic: more serious warning.
• Directed or indirect* threat of physical harm: most serious warning.

*: directed or indirect here means whether directed at a WF member or directed at the public. It doesn’t cover “vaguely sounded threatening”.

Either way, though, it should be pretty difficult to go unwarned, because again, WF doesn’t really have many sections where any type of political discussion wouldn’t be off topic and therefore warned. However:

• If someone posts in the occult sections some history about witches being burned and provides some viewpoint as to why it was justified, as long as the post isn’t some low quality troll, it’s allowed and you’re just going to have to deal with it.
• If someone posts the most disgusting looking mashed potatos with beans and gravy on untoasted bread wrapped in Yorkshire pudding in the Cooking section and you’re super culinarily offended: deal with it.
• If someone posts a study on how DEI is ruining the American economy in the politics section and you feel upset: deal with it.
• If someone posts a thread about how jewish alien SkullTrain did 7/11 in the controversy section and you feel like it’s anti semantic: suck it up.

All of these above will still be warned if they are low quality, clearly trolling, not relevant to the thread, or not relevant to the section they were posted in. AS PER THE RULES. But there is no rule against any political stance whatsoever.

This thread applies to everyone btw, the people butthurt about the recent activity here, the staff, and even me who sees a thread that makes my blood boil but doesn’t break any rules at least once a week. I look at it, seethe for a moment, then get up and walk it off cause it doesn’t. Fucking. Break. Any. Rules. If I (who has an unlimited and all powerful ban hammer at my fingertips) can do that, why can’t anyone else?

WF always has been, is, and always will be apolitical, open, challenging forum. Never a safe space. And in that spirit, feel free to challenge my viewpoint in the comments. If you think I’m wrong, hypocritical, inconsistent: explain why. If you have a question about any rule or the structure/policy of WF, ask me anything. But don’t ask for WF to be a safe space for your feelies, cause that will never happen.

 

[Robert Ramsay]

...and for everything else, there's always the ignore button

 

[ewiz]

Having spent a number of years moderating another forum, I think the staff has been doing an excellent job enforcing the rules here. The rules aren't hard at all to follow, and the place seems very welcoming to people of all backgrounds and at all levels of experience, without having to be some fluffy little safe space. I honestly think anyone warned for rule breaking should be grateful for the chance to enjoy this system of warnings, because we would just drop the hammer without blinking if any rules were broken.

 

[Aeternus]

@SkullTraill I really agree with the system of rules that is applied here. No one should ever feel so butthurt about fair rules and the fact that a web forum is NEVER but NEVER going to be a fluffy space where all of us would say only the nicest things in terms of opinions. Opinions are different, and unless there is no public or mental harm done, well... it is important that people learn how to deal with it.

You are way too fluffy in terms of opinions being shared, take a break, meditate or do whatever other spiritual practice you do to mature yourself, and then come back to the forums once you reached a better level of emotional maturity.

I also agree with the fact that occult knowledge should be disseminated and shared. The Library truly does a great job and, this is for new members... either having a financial contribution (Benefactor purchase) or at least the satisfactory requirement of posts to access the Library isn't something that bad to scream it all over the place.

 

[Schimmel]

I fully agree, but to add it does not hurt to treat humans having opposing view points with respect.
This would be a great exercise in tolerance and testing your understanding own your own beliefs.
Unless it offends your personaly, then it's best to not engage, because trolls will be trolls.

jewish alien SkullTrain did 7/11

What is that about? Why does this SkullTrain commit atrocities in the month of July?

 

[ortizem]

why is the library not available! i cant see threads nor get any of the links.. sends me back to tthe rules page.

 

[ewiz]

why is the library not available! i cant see threads nor get any of the links.. sends me back to tthe rules page.

You have to post once per week in The Order sub-forums if you have less than 50 posts in those sections and are not a Benefactor. Since you just made a post there 20 minutes ago, you might need to wait a while longer and it will become available to you soon. If you paid any attention to the thread you just posted in, you'd also be aware that your post is entirely Off-Topic.

 

[HoldAll]

why is the library not available! i cant see threads nor get any of the links.. sends me back to tthe rules page.

'Off-topic' also means asking questions unrelated to a thread's topic, this one's about warnings. You were redirected to the rules page because that's where the Library access rules can be found, duh.

 

[SkullTraill]

I fully agree, but to add it does not hurt to treat humans having opposing view points with respect.

Of course, and people genuinely appreciate that and reward it (with standing within the community). But it is not a rule.

You have to post once per week in The Order sub-forums if you have less than 50 posts in those sections and are not a Benefactor. Since you just made a post there 20 minutes ago, you might need to wait a while longer and it will become available to you soon. If you paid any attention to the thread you just posted in, you'd also be aware that your post is entirely Off-Topic.

Please do not reply to off topic comments with more off topic comments.

What is that about? Why does this SkullTrain commit atrocities in the month of July?

Oh damn, I spelled it wrong... it was some crazy conspiracy theory posted by some tin-foil nut ages ago (first conspiracy thread on WF)...

SkumTrain did 7/11

Greetings, fellow truth seekers! It's time to uncover the most shocking, mind-blowing conspiracy of our times: SkumTrain did 7/11. Yes, you read that right. The nefarious SkumTrain, that shadowy organization lurking in the fringes of our society, is behind the infamous convenience store...

wizardforums.com

But hey, that's off topic

 

[ortizem]

'Off-topic' also means asking questions unrelated to a thread's topic, this one's about warnings. You were redirected to the rules page because that's where the Library access rules can be found, duh.

duh what?
i just got a dm with the same thing.. ima go find a new occult website.
a tolerant one

 

[Accipeveldare]

Over the years, I’ve seen a lot of people complain about what does/does not get warnings, comparisons of warnings lengths, being too strict/not strict enough, etc. WF has been labeled an antisemetic forum, a transphobic forum, a Nazi forum, and most recently, a zionist forum (hilarious).

On my end, I expect all of this. I fully understand this is part and parcel of running an open community. I personally couldn’t care less what people label WF (or me) as because I know it’s not true. I have extremely strong niche, controversial, (some would call) unpleasant personal and political opinions. However, they do not leak into how WF is run. I think that’s evidenced by how many contrasting and sometimes polar opposite labels people give WF. Again, I do not care.

I’m making this thread for the snowflakes who do not understand how the warning system works and what the philosophy of WF is.

The only stance WF takes (political or otherwise) is that occult knowledge should be disseminated, shared, and encouraged as much as possible. WF is to welcome as many people as possible in this endeavor, and maintain a smooth and focused old school forum style community. To that end, we have rules.

Now, most of the rules are pretty self explanatory and don’t cause much controversy/backlash, so I won’t go over them (read the rules thread and you should understand why they exist - if not, ask about it below). However, there are a few rules/warning types that are constantly embroiled in controversy and angst, so let me cover those here (specifically in relation to political/controversial anti-/-isms).

Off Topic:
NOWHERE in any of the rules is any particular political viewpoint banned. Do you hate women and beat them in your free time? Welcome to WF. Do you hate black people and support the KKK? Welcome to WF. Do you hate jews, think they did 9/11 and deny the holocaust? Welcome to WF. Are you some IDF soldier who wants to wipe out all the babies in Palestine? Welcome to WF. You can have whatever political viewpoint imaginable. Just remember this: WF is an occult forum. There is no section to discuss beating women or killing children, just as there is no section to discuss eugenics or antisemitism. So when you post those things, you will be warned for being off topic because they are not topics WF is meant to support. WF is for occult discussion and a few other limited adjacent/fun topics.

This is the lightest kind of warning because these are your thoughts and opinions, and while they are not relevant to WF, you’re allowed to have them, and other people must TAKE offense to them. They cause no physical harm to anyone, and no mental harm directed at a WF member specifically

(Trigger warning: slurs ahead)

Insult/Verbal Abuse:
This does NOT apply every time your feelings get hurt. This is specifically for the use of slurs and name calling (nigga, goyim, faggot, tranny etc). The reason we have this rule is so that conversations, no matter how inflammatory do not turn into some shit flinging contest where all everyone does is personally attack each other. The reason this doesn’t fall into off topic is because around 10-20% of anyone’s post is allowed to be off topic so as to allow people to add context and a bit of personality to their posts. That means obviously people could have 5% of their posts be slurs which unlike having a personal political opinion is directly attacking/insulting another WF member.

This is a more serious warning because while it still causes no physical harm, the mental harm is directed at a WF member specifically.

Threat/Attack/Violent:
This is the most serious one, because you are threatening physical harm. Whether to someone on WF or not, this is taken very seriously. If you say you’re going to burn a church or cause anal ache to someone (real examples btw), you will be warned under this category.

To summarize:

• Cause no harm whatsoever, fully on topic: great, love this, rewarded.
• Indirect mental harm, but on topic: not great, but WF isn’t the thought police.
• Indirect mental harm, but off topic: warned for off topic.
• Directed mental harm, on/off topic: more serious warning.
• Directed or indirect* threat of physical harm: most serious warning.

*: directed or indirect here means whether directed at a WF member or directed at the public. It doesn’t cover “vaguely sounded threatening”.

Either way, though, it should be pretty difficult to go unwarned, because again, WF doesn’t really have many sections where any type of political discussion wouldn’t be off topic and therefore warned. However:

• If someone posts in the occult sections some history about witches being burned and provides some viewpoint as to why it was justified, as long as the post isn’t some low quality troll, it’s allowed and you’re just going to have to deal with it.
• If someone posts the most disgusting looking mashed potatos with beans and gravy on untoasted bread wrapped in Yorkshire pudding in the Cooking section and you’re super culinarily offended: deal with it.
• If someone posts a study on how DEI is ruining the American economy in the politics section and you feel upset: deal with it.
• If someone posts a thread about how jewish alien SkullTrain did 7/11 in the controversy section and you feel like it’s anti semantic: suck it up.

All of these above will still be warned if they are low quality, clearly trolling, not relevant to the thread, or not relevant to the section they were posted in. AS PER THE RULES. But there is no rule against any political stance whatsoever.

This thread applies to everyone btw, the people butthurt about the recent activity here, the staff, and even me who sees a thread that makes my blood boil but doesn’t break any rules at least once a week. I look at it, seethe for a moment, then get up and walk it off cause it doesn’t. Fucking. Break. Any. Rules. If I (who has an unlimited and all powerful ban hammer at my fingertips) can do that, why can’t anyone else?

WF always has been, is, and always will be apolitical, open, challenging forum. Never a safe space. And in that spirit, feel free to challenge my viewpoint in the comments. If you think I’m wrong, hypocritical, inconsistent: explain why. If you have a question about any rule or the structure/policy of WF, ask me anything. But don’t ask for WF to be a safe space for your feelies, cause that will never happen.

This is beautiful. Keep up the great work. I will always respect the progression of knowledge.

 

[Aeternus]

duh what?
i just got a dm with the same thing.. ima go find a new occult website.
a tolerant one

Getting butthurt for a reasonable warning in the big 2026 is crazy .

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[rin_]

I actually think the forum/moderation does a great job with being a safe space.

Safe, as I look at it, doesn’t mean catering to feelings, but as allowing reasonable expression. Allowing discourse even when—often especially if—uncomfortable. And while I’ve certainly disagreed with certain thread closings or discussion stoppers, I appreciate the general intent and purpose behind such decisions to be primarily rooted in a desire for the mitigation of unproductive conflict.

This forum is considerate and well-run.