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Hello I am back again, I might make a similar post on the Left Hand Path forum if I need a deeper understanding.
On the right hand path what gods would represent this path and what gods are considered divinified on this “Right Hand Path”
I am knew to the occult as stated before and I need to know both a good deal on who is considered the gods of this path and what is it that is partaken on this path. as I know from the left hand demons can be anything from past history to something created in my own temple. I also know we can create our own gods as in egegores but that’s about all I know.
Does certain path deal with certain magics as in ex “Left Hand Path” deal with chaos magick, Vs the “Right Hand Path” Planetary or is that all up to me ? I have to presume certain magics must be done easier on certain paths but I have no knowledge of this yet.
One could write whole essays trying to answer your post so I'll mostly stick to chaos magic because that's what I know best.
In my understanding chaos magic is basically anarchic, unprincipled and moral-free, 'beyond good or evil' because its practitioners don’t think in these categories. They’re pragmatic and irreverent (what has been often called a 'punk/DIY attitude'), whatever works, works, yields mundane results or produces interesting experiences, whether they involve blissful ecstasy or abject horror. Chaos magic largely lacks a transcedental goal like ascension (RHP) or self-deification (LHP), and one of its hallmarks is paradigm-shifting where you believe in God or gods one week, be an atheist the next and a devout Hindu after that, for example, just to broaden your horizon. "Nothing is true, everything is permitted" is often quoted to describe chaos magic, and it's the attitude rather than the methods that defines chaos magic because its practioners feel free to borrow, appropriate and misappropriate other magics and techniques, no matter how un-woke such cultural piracy may seem these days
What I found frustrating over time is that chaos magic doesn't seem have an overarching spiritual purpose and appears to solely focus on low magic, i.e. doing magic for mundane ends, and that's what it means for many practitioners - you have a problem, so you charge a quick sigil, and when you've hopefully achieved a measure of success, and hurray, you can call yourself a chaos magician. I won't belittle that attitude because I used to be of the same mind for a long time but after many years it felt frustrating because of the long gaps between sigil charging where you do nothing but read classic occult books and snigger at their entrenched ideologies and fuddy-duddy white-lighter mentalities. And with ever expanding relativism, postmodern thinking and rampant eclecticism in the occult arena, closed-minded stereotypical gurus who insist that their methods constitute the Only True Way are becoming rapidly extinct (at least in the occult mainstream, fanatical ideologues still thrive in certain niches).
However, in his seminal "Liber Null & Psychonaut" Peter J. Carroll does write about such a spiritual goal:
The transmutation of the mind to magical consciousness has often been called the great work. It has a far-reaching purpose leading eventually to the discovery of the true will. Even a slight ability to change oneself is more valuable than any power over the external universe. Metamorphosis is an exercise in willed restructuring of the mind.
So the influence of Crowley ("true will") and classic RHP thinking can still be felt here in 1987, even in this 'bible of chaos magic', but this noble goal of self-metamorphosis somehow got drowned out in the youthful exuberant iconoclasm his revolutionary book originally engendered; however, how you achieve that metamorphosis is up to you, whether by serving Kali, Cthulhu or Apollo, whether by mortifying your body, dropping acid every weekend or meditating under an icy waterfall.
As for gods… I'm congenitally unable to take them seriously. I may be able to see them as Jungian archetypes or a superior class of spirits but I find the mere thought that any of them (or their self-proclaimed representatives) should have the power to tell me how to run my life revolting, and the same goes for allegedly holy books or any Laws of the Universe I'm supposed to heed. For a chaos magician, religions are interchangeable paradigms or random belief systems; for me, the only criterion for their relative worth is whether they're empowering or limiting. Gods hardly play any role in my thinking and I create my own magic according to my temperament and mentality and not from a list of 'approved occult methods, or to put it simply, I make it up as I go along.
One could write whole essays trying to answer your post so I'll mostly stick to chaos magic because that's what I know best.
In my understanding chaos magic is basically anarchic, unprincipled and moral-free, 'beyond good or evil' because its practitioners don’t think in these categories. They’re pragmatic and irreverent (what has been often called a 'punk/DIY attitude'), whatever works, works, yields mundane results or produces interesting experiences, whether they involve blissful ecstasy or abject horror. Chaos magic largely lacks a transcedental goal like ascension (RHP) or self-deification (LHP), and one of its hallmarks is paradigm-shifting where you believe in God or gods one week, be an atheist the next and a devout Hindu after that, for example, just to broaden your horizon. "Nothing is true, everything is permitted" is often quoted to describe chaos magic, and it's the attitude rather than the methods that defines chaos magic because its practioners feel free to borrow, appropriate and misappropriate other magics and techniques, no matter how un-woke such cultural piracy may seem these days
What I found frustrating over time is that chaos magic doesn't seem have an overarching spiritual purpose and appears to solely focus on low magic, i.e. doing magic for mundane ends, and that's what it means for many practitioners - you have a problem, so you charge a quick sigil, and when you've hopefully achieved a measure of success, and hurray, you can call yourself a chaos magician. I won't belittle that attitude because I used to be of the same mind for a long time but after many years it felt frustrating because of the long gaps between sigil charging where you do nothing but read classic occult books and snigger at their entrenched ideologies and fuddy-duddy white-lighter mentalities. And with ever expanding relativism, postmodern thinking and rampant eclecticism in the occult arena, closed-minded stereotypical gurus who insist that their methods constitute the Only True Way are becoming rapidly extinct (at least in the occult mainstream, fanatical ideologues still thrive in certain niches).
However, in his seminal "Liber Null & Psychonaut" Peter J. Carroll does write about such a spiritual goal:
The transmutation of the mind to magical consciousness has often been called the great work. It has a far-reaching purpose leading eventually to the discovery of the true will. Even a slight ability to change oneself is more valuable than any power over the external universe. Metamorphosis is an exercise in willed restructuring of the mind.
So the influence of Crowley ("true will") and classic RHP thinking can still be felt here in 1987, even in this 'bible of chaos magic', but this noble goal of self-metamorphosis somehow got drowned out in the youthful exuberant iconoclasm his revolutionary book originally engendered; however, how you achieve that metamorphosis is up to you, whether by serving Kali, Cthulhu or Apollo, whether by mortifying your body, dropping acid every weekend or meditating under an icy waterfall.
As for gods… I'm congenitally unable to take them seriously. I may be able to see them as Jungian archetypes or a superior class of spirits but I find the mere thought that any of them (or their self-proclaimed representatives) should have the power to tell me how to run my life revolting, and the same goes for allegedly holy books or any Laws of the Universe I'm supposed to heed. For a chaos magician, religions are interchangeable paradigms or random belief systems; for me, the only criterion for their relative worth is whether they're empowering or limiting. Gods hardly play any role in my thinking and I create my own magic according to my temperament and mentality and not from a list of 'approved occult methods, or to put it simply, I make it up as I go along.
One could write whole essays trying to answer your post so I'll mostly stick to chaos magic because that's what I know best.
In my understanding chaos magic is basically anarchic, unprincipled and moral-free, 'beyond good or evil' because its practitioners don’t think in these categories. They’re pragmatic and irreverent (what has been often called a 'punk/DIY attitude'), whatever works, works, yields mundane results or produces interesting experiences, whether they involve blissful ecstasy or abject horror. Chaos magic largely lacks a transcedental goal like ascension (RHP) or self-deification (LHP), and one of its hallmarks is paradigm-shifting where you believe in God or gods one week, be an atheist the next and a devout Hindu after that, for example, just to broaden your horizon. "Nothing is true, everything is permitted" is often quoted to describe chaos magic, and it's the attitude rather than the methods that defines chaos magic because its practioners feel free to borrow, appropriate and misappropriate other magics and techniques, no matter how un-woke such cultural piracy may seem these days
What I found frustrating over time is that chaos magic doesn't seem have an overarching spiritual purpose and appears to solely focus on low magic, i.e. doing magic for mundane ends, and that's what it means for many practitioners - you have a problem, so you charge a quick sigil, and when you've hopefully achieved a measure of success, and hurray, you can call yourself a chaos magician. I won't belittle that attitude because I used to be of the same mind for a long time but after many years it felt frustrating because of the long gaps between sigil charging where you do nothing but read classic occult books and snigger at their entrenched ideologies and fuddy-duddy white-lighter mentalities. And with ever expanding relativism, postmodern thinking and rampant eclecticism in the occult arena, closed-minded stereotypical gurus who insist that their methods constitute the Only True Way are becoming rapidly extinct (at least in the occult mainstream, fanatical ideologues still thrive in certain niches).
However, in his seminal "Liber Null & Psychonaut" Peter J. Carroll does write about such a spiritual goal:
The transmutation of the mind to magical consciousness has often been called the great work. It has a far-reaching purpose leading eventually to the discovery of the true will. Even a slight ability to change oneself is more valuable than any power over the external universe. Metamorphosis is an exercise in willed restructuring of the mind.
So the influence of Crowley ("true will") and classic RHP thinking can still be felt here in 1987, even in this 'bible of chaos magic', but this noble goal of self-metamorphosis somehow got drowned out in the youthful exuberant iconoclasm his revolutionary book originally engendered; however, how you achieve that metamorphosis is up to you, whether by serving Kali, Cthulhu or Apollo, whether by mortifying your body, dropping acid every weekend or meditating under an icy waterfall.
As for gods… I'm congenitally unable to take them seriously. I may be able to see them as Jungian archetypes or a superior class of spirits but I find the mere thought that any of them (or their self-proclaimed representatives) should have the power to tell me how to run my life revolting, and the same goes for allegedly holy books or any Laws of the Universe I'm supposed to heed. For a chaos magician, religions are interchangeable paradigms or random belief systems; for me, the only criterion for their relative worth is whether they're empowering or limiting. Gods hardly play any role in my thinking and I create my own magic according to my temperament and mentality and not from a list of 'approved occult methods, or to put it simply, I make it up as I go along.
If you're still interested in that subject, I'd recommend readining Part IV (p. 131) of this book I uploaded today. The most important thing, in my opinion, is to refrain from seeing the RHP and the LHP as polar opposites, or two sides of the same coin, or extremes of a spectrum complementing each other, as the designation 'right' or 'left' suggests. They're just two ways of comprehending or doing things, and many areas of the occult cannot be easily attributed exclusively to one path or the other.
The transmutation of the mind to magical consciousness has often been called the great work. It has a far-reaching purpose leading eventually to the discovery of the true will. Even a slight ability to change oneself is more valuable than any power over the external universe. Metamorphosis is an exercise in willed restructuring of the mind.
Is something of an understatement. even LHP Is about self metamorphosis. And if my assumptions here are true, How does someone who believes that the universe is created from what they believe "ascend", how do you get any higher than being the mind/will/spirit? that shapes reality?
I am not sure myself, but it may depend how you define it.
Just as a layman, if the right hand path or white magick was what's conventionally considered "good" I'd probably say angelic entities, like of the 72 shem, or others that do 'good' like healing and protecting others or benefiting without causing harm to anyone
Magick would be anything that causes no harm to others (as a minimum) and is beneficial or of service, which could be debated but, I assume there's a general understanding of helpful v. harmful
If it is the great work as in getting enlightened or something, I tentatively venture to say one could lump in all the mainstream religious and spiritual traditions and their figureheads, whatever leads to spiritual enlightenment in the more conventional sense.
Of course, I emphasize tentatively as I wish not to ruffle feathers on a topic I know not much about, but there is my two cents.
When I think of "right hand path" I tend to think of Sufism.
Historically, many Sufis have practiced magick, even though it is technically haram in Islam.
Many orders pass down knowledge of talismanic magick utilizing magic squares, prayers, Qur'anic verses, the "Science of Letters" (‘Ilm al-Ḥurūf ) and the names of Allah.
When I think of "right hand path" I tend to think of Sufism.
Historically, many Sufis have practiced magick, even though it is technically haram in Islam.
Many orders pass down knowledge of talismanic magick utilizing magic squares, prayers, Qur'anic verses, the "Science of Letters" (‘Ilm al-Ḥurūf ) and the names of Allah.
many religions forbid magick and contacting of spirits even angels. However this enforces the theory that religions are scams and they dont want you to find out by figuring out the real mechanics of the supernatural and from other spirits. Other beings didnt get scammed.
Hello I am back again, I might make a similar post on the Left Hand Path forum if I need a deeper understanding.
On the right hand path what gods would represent this path and what gods are considered divinified on this “Right Hand Path”
I am knew to the occult as stated before and I need to know both a good deal on who is considered the gods of this path and what is it that is partaken on this path. as I know from the left hand demons can be anything from past history to something created in my own temple. I also know we can create our own gods as in egegores but that’s about all I know.
Does certain path deal with certain magics as in ex “Left Hand Path” deal with chaos magick, Vs the “Right Hand Path” Planetary or is that all up to me ? I have to presume certain magics must be done easier on certain paths but I have no knowledge of this yet.
the right hand path does not involve working with deities. Rather it involves things like the self and angels. Paths like the golden dawn and hermetism are essentially right handed for focusing on the divine aspect of the self while working with angels is considered the right hand path but angels dont really consider themselves the same way people think since divinity is not special. Rather the idea is the concept that god is within.
There are gods that are neither unpronounceable nor spoken. Some words are given a certain meaning, but only part of them are an incomplete name-
For example, the name - unpronounceable names are: de. el. x p n k h t li g y y...
There's a part of the name of the power used by the Brahmins. The living weapon of Brahma, the Brahmastra. And the polygenes used the Brahmaputra. Mohenjo Daro, or somewhere in the ancient Indian city, used the weapons of the gods, including the Brahma-astra.
Here is part of this mantra -
Mantras of the 3rd Circle of Magic:
-...AERAGVIAKHAKAGAT...- part of the mantra - Brahma's weapon launches the lightning arrow Brahmastra
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Fundamentals of Theurgic Magic of the Third Circle
BASIC 1. THE ABSOLUTE Definition. "There was no life, no death, no day, no night, no darkness, no light, no finite, no infinite, no Cosmos, no Chaos, no manifest, no hidden, no time, no timelessness. There was only Something incomprehensible, One. Do those in the Highest Heaven know it? No! Not even They!" (Rig Veda). 1.1 Corollary 1. The Absolute contains within itself its own Hidden Mystery, for the sake of knowing which the worlds are created. Corollary 2. Man is a spark of the Absolute, or the Absolute in embryo. The meaning of human life is the knowledge of one's own Hidden Mystery and one's God. Corollary 3. Human actions aimed at comprehending God, discovering the secrets of nature, creating and controlling the forces of nature are called Divine Truth, or Theurgic Magic. Everything is Magic.
BASIC 2, POLARITY. God the Absolute is served by two forces in the Universe: Light and Darkness, White and Black. Graphically, this can be depicted as two columns - dark and light. The dark column includes: - the forces of the Mother of God (for even the sky is black at night), the Mistress and Creator of the Bottomless Abysses and Worlds; - the forces of chaos, the dragons of chaos; - the Angels of the Bottomless Abyss (like the Biblical Abaddon); - the Archangel of Death (the Universal Destroyer); - the servants of the Archangel of Death; - the devils of hell (the smallest forces in the column). The white column includes: - Gods or Divine images, emotions and expansions; - Archangels and Saints; - Angels - Spirits and Geniuses; - Rulers of the Elements. There is always a potential difference between the columns, which is the perpetual motion machine of the universe. Balancing the columns is the secret to governing the universe. This is how the followers of Tao thought. The two columns also signify: male-female, yin-yang, activity-passivity, potential and kinetic, heaven-earth, fire-water,
FOUNDATION 3. CENTRAL COLUMN. The two columns oppose each other, and at the point of their opposition, a central point is created. The columns create this point so that the Spirit of God can penetrate it and control the columns. From this point, the central Golden Column emerges, through which the Spirit of God penetrates and balances the white and black columns. The golden color spreads to both columns, forming a golden trident. The cross-section of this trident looks like a triangle. All three columns exist within a single Ray, and this Ray is born from the Holy Spirit.
FOUNDATION 4. THE HEAVENLY ELEMENTS. The Holy Spirit is the Time Field, or the Chronic Field, or the Ray that gives birth to Eternity. Clairvoyants see the Time Field as a delicate green flecked with gold. Time gives birth to two columns (elements): superactivity (vacuum consciousness, or, in Buddhist parlance, the "Great Void." As is well known, in a vacuum, particles are in a hyperactive state and in ultra-fast motion), and passivity (the subtlest ethereal substance, inert, requiring an impulse). Between the two columns, a balancer is born—energy, plasma, the Higher Fire, thermonuclear energy. The trident transforms into a cross. The cross is represented by two lines, each of which is a connection of a pair of opposites, like the "+" and "-" of an electric current. Two streams of energy flow along the lines of the cross. They intersect and create a point in the center of the cross through which they invite God to govern and balance them. When the potentials of the four ends of the cross are balanced, the universe is equalized and united with the Absolute. This cross, projected into the coarse layers of the universe, creates four more elements: air, water, fire, and earth, which act in exactly the same way.
BASIS 5. PENTAGRAM. The pentagram signifies that God (the upper ray) governs the four manifest and four hidden elements.
BASIS 7. SEPTOGRAM. Just as the columns—white and black—should be balanced, just as the elements should be balanced, so too are the chakras and planets balanced, for the planets are nothing other than the chakras of the cosmos. The powers of the seven metals in alchemy are also balanced. When the opposing chakras are closed, and the opposite poles of planetary energies are connected by a line, a golden energy is born in the center of the Septogram, which is the Eternal Mobile, the Philosopher's Stone, and the Golden Color of Buddha.
BASIC 8. CUBE. Four elements in heaven, four elements on Earth—eight elements in total. This forms a cube or parallelepiped. In its center, the eight elements—the eight poles—are balanced, and God's power is born, capable of controlling all eight elements.
BASIC 10. ARK. The Ark of the Covenant is a parallelepiped. According to the Bible, its dimensions are 25:15:15. The eight corners represent the eight elements. Two handles—one white, one black—are two columns. Thus, in the center of the Ark, the ten forces create a point of balance through which God or God's servant—the Magician—can control all ten forces. By immersing one's consciousness in this point, one can quickly understand the Tao, fulfill any desire, move objects without compromising one's abilities, or generally achieve anything quickly. The active force of the Divine Spirit, generated in the center of the Ark, was known among ancient peoples as AZOTE. The Ark is capable of evoking any energy.
