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[Opinion] What is the BIBLE to you?

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It is an extremely interesting book that has the ability to be used by cunning individuals to both harm as well as heal. Some consider its very presence in one's home as apotropaic, though I think it needs to be "woken up" in some sorcerous manner before it can have that particular effect.
The "sorcery" part is its cantrips: "Yeshua" & "YHWH"

The part where it says the kingdom of god is not about words but of power? Totally reversed!

words carry power and meaning; freedom and enslavement.

Get called an "antisemite"? Your entire reputation ruined, lose your job, possibly your entire career, etc.

That, my friends, is the definition of word-sorcery
 

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I don’t think the bible was ment to be taken literally. I’ve talked to many Christian’s and a lot don’t believe in a firey depths hell. The one that do are quite brainwashed and can’t even see right from wrong. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with religion as long as you’re careful. It’s the fundamentalists you need to be weary of. The fundamentalists of any religion or sect can be dangerous. And there is a lot of them. I still hear from people that think women can’t be leaders . And I just shake my head. You need to be careful with any group of people that has a leader. The occult can be a very dangerous place and is filled with fundamentalism. Which is dangerous. That being said I study the occult and the bible and they mix quite nicely.
 

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Another thing the Bible was to me was I mean I read Corinthians recently and theres a part about whoever it is being jealous and no others before them.

I just couldn't do what was mentioned in Corinthians so I just stayed away from it. I mean I'm fine if others do but I just can't. Maybe a lot of it can be taken metaphorically but if it can't then unless I'm forced to.

Even then I might just pretend because I'm not messing with that. I'll just keep on moving. Practice my own nature based rituals. Not going to be part of the table. Nope. Nah ah. Not happening.
 

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A simple question, it should be interesting to see what people say. Without revealing too much, what is your interpretation of what the BIBLE is?

To me, the bible is a record of what happened in the past whereby the God who created the Universe (Yaldabaoth) was subdued by some Earthly magicians in some ritual. In this ritual, the God of creation is made into a man so that he can be killed. Jesus then, is the God of the Old Testament who was incarnated through ritual magic, for the sake of magical POWER.

I have other specific beliefs which I am happy to discuss, but I want to hear what people know!
Interesting take
 

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Re: "i am a jealous god"
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This is one of the most deceitful quotes.

If the j*ws are chosen, then the "jealous" are anybody who is outside their circle.

The j*ws own the planet and all facets of government -not through love & mercy but by slander, genocide, and malice
 

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@Ohana

Re: "i am a jealous god"
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This is one of the most deceitful quotes.

If the j*ws are chosen, then the "jealous" are anybody who is outside their circle.

The j*ws own the planet and all facets of government -not through love & mercy but by slander, genocide, and malice
I don't really want to be associated with antisemitism. Please don't quote me. Also that logic doesn't make sense at all.

Thats technically g*d talking. The caninite g*d was to be both loved and feared. Thats putting fear to not worship other dieties. So why would that be other people? The others that are jealous? Thats equating eveyone else to g*d basically which no

Also Jewish people are only a little percentage of the population. Thats basically scapegoating all the world problems to one tiny group of people. One small group that makes no sense.

You are spreading malice. If you want to change the world to not be as malicous then start spreading compassion and less hate to random small groups of people.
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I'm just agnostic based off my own choices. Not going to spread malice by hating others just because they don't see the world the same as I.

All the worlds problems are caused by everyone. Every single group has a hand in shaping the world we see. This idea also disengaged your own agency until what exactly happens?

People still have free will. Be the change you want to see in the world. Start being kind today if you think the world is filled with too much malice
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I just don't personally want to be a part of religion because I have bad personal expierences with it. That caused me great fear which is why I mentioned being afriad. I'm literally just scared.

That doesn't mean I think everyone who follows it are bad. Some might be mean some might not. Thats just how organizations work and groups of people work.
 
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Citing history is now "antisemitic" & "malice"? Jeesh!

The canaanites existed before the jews. The jews borrowed their religion and God (ie. God Most High) -instead the jews called it "YHWH".
 

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Yeah becuase it just doesn't make any sense at all.

That argument makes no sense given the source material. If Jewish people did take from the canaanites then they still have to follow the logic.

the logic you gave just doesn't make any amount of sense. Judaism is a world religion like Christianity or Islam. Some people can use that religion to spread hatred while others might not. Or do something in between because people aren't perfect.

The logic that Jewish people have a jealous g*d and thats code for others are jealous of us so stop them makes no sense for every Jewish person of around 16 million to spread. Especially since they only occupy 0.2 percent of the worlds population. Some might be not spreading the best stuff right now but you could technically say that about probably every worldwide religeon due to how many people are a part of it.

Also if they were running the world I feel like making 16 million people wealthy and elite wouldn't be too hard but thats not even the case for most Jewish people from brief research I did. If they were running the world wouldn’t all 16 million people be in great finacial positions but their not thats just a sterotype.

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It just doesn't make sense at all. Especially since back in the day universities would deny people that were Jewish. If they were running the world I feel like universities wouldn't deny Jewish people from entry. And its not even that far back. How can such a small group of people take over the world in less than 50, 70 years?

And Anti-semetism and belief of Jewish people secretly ran the world has existed way longer than that. So why would they deny their own people entry to prestigious universities? That seems like a really great benefit.
 
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A book of primitive, barbaric morality that ruined Western civilization and every society that experienced Western colonization. I don't know if YHWH is a Jewish egregor, or if it's a Canaanite storm god, but whatever it is, it's evil. Abrahamic religions have held back humanity's psychological and ethical development.
 

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Citing history is now "antisemitic" & "malice"? Jeesh!

The canaanites existed before the jews. The jews borrowed their religion and God (ie. God Most High) -instead the jews called it "YHWH".
Well when you make a small group of people a problem just by existing then that can spread malice and it can cause people to see horrible solutions to that. Look at history Jewish people went through severe horrors from Germany not to long ago.

I'm of the opinion that no group of people deserve to go through that. Ever.

This belief also does just take away agency. The world is just doomed because of 0.2 percent of the population. If you want the world to be more kind then do something you have the agency to be more kind. People get nowhere by scapegoating.
 
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I'm skipping a bit of this thread...

I once read a "non-dogmatic" translation of the Gospels by Sarah Ruden. It's fascinating to see how much dogma is forcibly shoved into translations because, of course, dogmatic people are doing the translating and they think that's how it's supposed to have been. It's sort of like training an AI on AI output. At some point, it just becomes a parody of itself. Her translation does try and occasionally fluff the words and happy-to-glad some sections to give it a bit more vibrancy as a story goes.

Apparently Reynolds Price also did a similar non-dogmatic translation of Three Gospels, though I can't speak to its quality.
 

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A simple question, it should be interesting to see what people say. Without revealing too much, what is your interpretation of what the BIBLE is?

To me, the bible is a record of what happened in the past whereby the God who created the Universe (Yaldabaoth) was subdued by some Earthly magicians in some ritual. In this ritual, the God of creation is made into a man so that he can be killed. Jesus then, is the God of the Old Testament who was incarnated through ritual magic, for the sake of magical POWER.

I have other specific beliefs which I am happy to discuss, but I want to hear what people know!
I generally handle the Bible at its foundation in the western secular academic sense of there being the Hebrew Bible or “Old Testament”- a semi-historical, multi-genre library, and then the Christian writings appended there-on, which also are semi-historical and have a variety (albeit less) of genres in that we have things like the gospels, the book of acts, the epistolary writings of Paul, and the eschatological “Book of Revelation.”


Just the more exoteric treatment of these texts is vast, and admits a broad range of prospective mystical practices in things like abstentions, observances; rites of sacrifice; the more calendrical, astrological aspects and feasts; meditation, prayer, song, etc.


Now, myself personally, as a long-term magick practitioner (this has changed in the nature of its quality significantly, like most people who practice anything magickal over many years), Scottish rite initiated, Rosicrucian, who is deeply sympathetic to the more mystical Christian traditions and individuals, this has taken many forms but I will try to abbreviate it so that it can be considered more easily than this explanation of my background:


A lot of my magickal life has required a fairly direct knowledge of the Kabbalah and it’s host numerological study of biblical texts, angels, names of God, and through that I came to see the Bible’s self-referential, recapitulating feedback elements and that changed my treatment of the Bible into being something like not only a (albeit more potent) “This can become more of a useful, directly-applicable, treatment of my individual soul the more I can allow myself to see myself in the text and the characters and groups as representing myself or parts of myself” like someone can through much of literature, but because of there being a powerful matrix of number and self-reference, the more someone can, using the aforementioned, more conventional contemplative approach while at the same time being deliberate in a numerological and deeply symbolic (Kabbalah being the already present “received tradition” as per its name, for deeper levels of legibility, and is already incredibly sophisticated (albeit I don’t disbelieve in the prospective power of more Chaos-like, and transgressive ways of doing things)) way and it can spring you into being rendered more directly into the path of feedback and energetic currents where those in the foreground of the Bible’s cosmic dramas occur. I write “occur” in present tense because a part of my experience with these things, irrespective to their historicity or lack-thereof, is that a more helpful ontological handling of the events of the Bible is that they are eternally present,’ not just in having tendrils that bleed through history; not just from the belief in their veracity, and then extensions from the more “literally real” events, but from the radiant power that shines out as a fount of near endless development and possibilities combined with it being a multi-dimensional shining numerical and numerological matrix. One of the many interesting identities of the Bible is it’s being a fractal holographic code embedding divine ontology, so much further than a more common magickal “letter mysticism” approach to the Kabbalah and the Bible, one can actually assume their own position in a wave of phenomena that is more direct from the G-d, as something like an infinite Turing oracle that also provides personal insights, changes, and presence which having offered this self-referential code that is “true” (I’m loose with the word “true” compared to some people who are more epistemologically rigid) on what appears to be innumerable layers unfolding into infinity and can function as a kind of computational monad.
 

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@Ohana

Re: "i am a jealous god"
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This is one of the most deceitful quotes.

If the j*ws are chosen, then the "jealous" are anybody who is outside their circle.

nah .... that some obscure reasoning since - God said I am jealous ... not 'they are jealous ' or 'you are jealous ' but

I AM JEALOUS ... its more than obvious . And by that he meant '' I am jealous if you worship other Gods ... and I I am certainly going to punish you for that if you do it ! ''

now, seeings as the OT writers wanted us to believe there was only one God in existence ... who was he actually jealous of ???

Oooops , a bit of a slip up there !


The j*ws own the planet and all facets of government -not through love & mercy but by slander, genocide, and malice

slander eh ? 😃
 

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After thinking for a bit about this. The New Testament is written in Greek and kind of reads like a Greek tragedy.

I think it worked so well and resonated so well with so many people is because everyone's lives are technically tragedy. Tragedies have terrible endings and everyone's life ends.

The tragedy was real though. There might never have been technically a jesus (or atleast the jesus that people think of might not be accurate due to how long ago this all took place)

But the roman practice of crucifixion was. We meet a victim of it and people read and see that history. The echos of a terrifyingly cruel practice and it befalls someone the reader knows. The cruel waves of a past shaped by human suffering and people are taught to empathize with this victim. To see themselves in them.

Some other stories different from this one (or true events depending of your religion and faith) don't want to go that far and some make the victims of tragedy so great seem to deserve it. That they craft a someone that just represents malice and have tragedy befall them as if to say the deserved.

This NT doesn't do that. It creates a relatable human victim of these crucifixations. It wasn't just one person that had to go through this. It might have hundreds or thousands. Its just

Tragedy to me
 
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