What will pope do if his egzorcism fails?

[Viktor]

The pope or a priest performs egzorcism against you (or whom ever).
His attempt fails and this denigrates his pathetic church proving that "god" does not exist.

What will pope or a priest do next to cover up this shame of theirs that is so sound it's heard on entire planet?

 

[Yazata]

He will ask you for advice on how to boil his eggs next time.

 

[Viktor]

He will ask you for advice on how to boil his eggs next time.

That's almost correct, because they might want to take closer look at you to see why they failed.

Truth however, is that according to their doctrine a Catholic egzorcist is by profession required to distinquish between obsession by the devil and mental illness.

However since they already failed, to cover up their failure they declare you mentally ill person and do all what's in their power to force you into mental hospital.

This way if somebody points a finger at them for their failure (which is very uncommon btw.) they can point their finger at mental illness.

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However shall their egzorcism succeed they would happily point a finger at the devil even if it was mental illness to blame.

Historically speaking (in times of Jesus and before) there were no doctors to treat mental illness, so egzorcisms were always successful at the expense of mental health of a person being egzorcized.

That's why today egzorcisms are so rare, and can easily fail. (and are much more shameful for the church due to mass media and internet) so they rather avoid it or do it secretly.

 

[Yazata]

I think it's more common today for people to say / believe they have a mental disorder because medicines and attention gives them more comfort than a priest trying to drive out their evil thoughts or harmful desires (because that would be a one time thing instead of a subscription)

Full disclosure: I am not a doctor nor a priest and have never felt either possessed or having a mental disorder.
Edit:
Moving this to controversy

 

[WisdomAddict]

there were no doctors to treat mental illness, so egzorcisms were always successful at the expense of mental health of a person being egzorcized.

There were times in the history when doctors and priests were working togther either in a same place or worked together on doing both aspects of physical and spiritual treatments to heal

 

[IllusiveOwl]

It is common in the church for priests to drive a cross into their stomach and die through this fashion to recover the church's honor, especially Christ's.

 

[WisdomAddict]

+ I heard from a witch friend that failed exorsims are matter of the permission of person who is possessed before performing the exorsim rituals
She explained that back in the days of priests where attempted to cast out the demon or evil spirit without the actual person's permission that matter alone was the cases of the hard and harsh exorcism processes and sometimes person's accidental death during the exorsism process

I would recommend you to read the father's amorth 2 volume books on exorsim if you havent yet

-Peace

 

[8Lou1]

its not a shame to begin with. when someone comes to church to heal and the church cant find god in the patient, then its quite hard to heal tru church means. in this day and age we have psychiatry its a 'technical' way of how the brain works and has nothing to do with having gods conscious or not.

that the way of expressing 'sorry i cant help you there, ask an other doctor' is very poor. i agree with that.

 

[Viktor]

It is common in the church for priests to drive a cross into their stomach and die through this fashion to recover the church's honor, especially Christ's.

I never heard of this, I suppose it's a good joke.
I only know of samurai doing similar thing by cutting their stomach to death.

+ I heard from a witch friend that failed exorsims are matter of the permission of person who is possessed before performing the exorsim rituals

Actually exorcisms can be and are performed without one's permission.

Nowhere did Jesus asked for permission to perform one if you read the Bible.
Also exorcists in middle ages didn't ask witches for permission to burn them (a brutal form of exorcism)

Today is no different, they happen without permission quite often and I was referring in fact to exorcisms without permission.

its not a shame to begin with. when someone comes to church to heal and the church cant find god in the patient, then its quite hard to heal tru church means.

It's a shame when pope does it because he is "infallible" and does not do mistakes, especially not with exorcisms.
But since he failed that proved he is not holy man, and proved that he doesn't have holy spirit in him to perform exorcisms.
That was my point.

 

[WisdomAddict]

Actually exorcisms can be and are performed without one's permission.

Nowhere did Jesus asked for permission to perform one if you read the Bible.
Also exorcists in middle ages didn't ask witches for permission to burn them (a brutal form of exorcism)

Today is no different, they happen without permission quite often and I was referring in fact to exorcisms without permission.

I just shared her view I don't believe in it or deny it

I'm the one who was the posssessed person all I would say is would it would be only from my perspective and personal experience
If I ever decide to talk about it
My initial replay was the one I quoted your reply about the exorsist and I shared what I felt might resonate

 

[Xenophon]

The pope or a priest performs egzorcism against you (or whom ever).
His attempt fails and this denigrates his pathetic church proving that "god" does not exist.

What will pope or a priest do next to cover up this shame of theirs that is so sound it's heard on entire planet?

A failed exorcism no more "proves" God does not exist than a dead patient proves that medical science is a sham. Read Karl Popper on science. There is no such thing as a "crucial experiment." That is, a single experiment that refutes a theory once and for all. Read too the writings of Fr. Gabriele Amorth, the real-life model for "The Pope's Exorcist." Amorth admits to any number of failures. He also points to a good number of verified successes. About what one would expect in a spiritual war waged against powerful demons by ("through"?) fallible humans.

I am most assuredly not Catholic, but even my LHP self can see this mucj.

 

[8Lou1]

im not here to defend the popes actions, but discussing about people who do not know normal life, live within the confines of a religious cult and are nofappers, seems a bit mute to me. the fact that you see the failing exorcism as a shame i find wonderous. they couldnt heal homos either (yes they used to try that) and there used to be no women clergy (yes it was a men only cult).

i find the leverage they keep way more shamefull. did you see the reopening of the notre dame? the color scheme of their clothes, the staff they used, the text they used, the music they played, etc all of that smelled so much like operation stargate that i dont even want to wonder.

not all roads lead to rome. some go to paris and get cake.

i think we should examine the word infallible and the meaning the Church put on to it. its prob not what we think.

 

[Viktor]

@Xenophon
@8Lou1
...and others.

I will only say I agree with you that failed exorcism isn't really a shame but that was not so much my point, my point instead was that an exorcism performed by pope that fails is what is shame because he is considered to be in position (infallible) such that his exorcism would never fail, if it does that proves he is not holy father and thus god does not exist if he fails.

There is biblical truth in that, in the gospels you can read how disciples of Jesus failed to cast demon out of obsessed, but then Jesus come to do the job instead and didn't fail.

The point being that pope is seen as vicar of Christ among Catholics, so while his priests and other clergy can fail to succeed in exorcisms, the pope cannot and must not fail, but if it does that's a problem because who will then cast demon out if nobody else can?

But then, have ever seen the pope doing exorcism?
He'd rather not do it at all than fail. not doing it for him is less of a shame than doing it and failing.

 

[HoldAll]

@Xenophon
@8Lou1
...and others.

I will only say I agree with you that failed exorcism isn't really a shame but that was not so much my point, my point instead was that an exorcism performed by pope that fails is what is shame because he is considered to be in position (infallible) such that his exorcism would never fail, if it does that proves he is not holy father and thus god does not exist if he fails.

Not to defend the Catholic Church (and I'm certainly not going to waste time researching my claim) but as far as I can remember, the pope is considered infallible in matters of Catholic doctrine only, it doesn't mean he's omnipotent or omniscient. It's largely a legal thing - if the pope decides that this or that teaching is wrong or even heretical, his decision is deemed final and no appeal is admissible, as expressed in the Latin phrase "Roma locuta causa finita" - “Rome has spoken; the cause is finished”, which amounts to religious doctrinal absolutism but not to any occult superpowers.

 

[8Lou1]

my point is that it isnt the popes task in the play you portray. he has personnel that is educated in it. the director of ups is not they guy delivering your mail so to say. i do agree with the fact that here on earth the holy catholic church is seen as the ruling elite of religion. so in that sense i totally agree.

i also adhere to the written scripture where some angel is sent to earth to rule. so if and when a possession occurs and the possessor is the bigger player. it seems to me as a shift of power where the church also needs to adjust. simply due to the fact that they were to weak. when you loose, you loose. simple as that.

 

[Xenophon]

@Xenophon
@8Lou1
...and others.

I will only say I agree with you that failed exorcism isn't really a shame but that was not so much my point, my point instead was that an exorcism performed by pope that fails is what is shame because he is considered to be in position (infallible) such that his exorcism would never fail, if it does that proves he is not holy father and thus god does not exist if he fails.

There is biblical truth in that, in the gospels you can read how disciples of Jesus failed to cast demon out of obsessed, but then Jesus come to do the job instead and didn't fail.

The point being that pope is seen as vicar of Christ among Catholics, so while his priests and other clergy can fail to succeed in exorcisms, the pope cannot and must not fail, but if it does that's a problem because who will then cast demon out if nobody else can?

But then, have ever seen the pope doing exorcism?
He'd rather not do it at all than fail. not doing it for him is less of a shame than doing it and failing.

The Pope is only said to be infallible when he speaks about doctrine ex cathedra, that is when he officially outlines the Church's position on an issue or point of teaching. Excorcism is not such a matter. Here the Pope is considered no more infallible than if he were bowling at cricket.

Helpful hint: before you shoot, identify your target. You are attacking the Papacy for something it has never claimed; the personal infallibility of the Pope when performing a skill.