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Where does the name “Shemhamforash” come from?

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Where does the name “Shemhamforash” come from?

Angelkesfarl:First of all, it comes from the science of simplification and decomposition.

The sages who devised it derived it from three verses of the Torah in the well-known narrative known to most scholars—though, of course, that is not my only point. It also stems from the fact that the method employed by the ancient sages was modeled after the path of a plow: straight, then in the opposite direction, then straight again

—resulting in seventy-two letters for each of the three verses, which were publicly proclaimed. the birth of the seventy-two astrological decans in their three aspects, forming the number 216.

I am fascinated by numbers, for they are the language of unchanging truth... So what they call the “single” or “fragmented” name, Shimhemforash, is in fact three verses from which they claim all secrets emerged.

When their initial arrangement is complete, we will need to divide by another coefficient, 2, to arrive at the center of the circle, thereby identifying the top, bottom, east, and west of the astronomical circle, which is by its very nature divided into 12 months and 12 hours. Oh, a new number has appeared—12. Let’s talk about it, please, and take it in with our own eyes. Dividing 72 by 12 gives 6—oh my God, a new number has been born as well: 6 × 36 = 216, another initial form. And strangely, it is the product of 3 × 12 = 36—it is also half the cycle of celestial movements for every 72 astrological decans. Ah, so are we filling the void with letters, then???

From this arises a complete movement that changed the course of human history—especially Western history—in the search for the secret: Let’s knock politely on our neighbors’ doors and ask them: O ancient civilizations, were you aware of the decans, and did they have other names among you??? Why did they choose only the ternary system???

Was it because there are only three such verses, or because there were other considerations? Or is it that, with all that has been written, transcribed, experimented with, and created—and in which scholars spent their lifetimes and experimenters derived most of their secrets—it is merely a first step in a vast, welcoming universe?

I apologize, my friends, if I have caused you any inconvenience, but it is a matter
 

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My experience with the Shemhamphorash is limited to some very minor things, maybe a couple meditations and some talismans derived from some of the names ages ago.

It's my understanding that this is the only place in the books of Moses where 3 consecutive verses contain exactly 72 letters, and that this occurs right at the climax of Exodus, the parting of the sea, the ultimate display of god's power.

A couple things I never fully understood are exactly why would we need to read these in an alternating direction? I hear the point about it resembling the action of a plow, but is this the only explanation you find?

I'm also curious what you or others take this name(s) to represent? Is this meant to represent god's ultimate power over matter? Freedom/Salvation? Other themes from this story, or beyond it?

Do you think it's possible to find completely new interpretations hidden in these lines of the text?
 

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I always assumed the 72 names, the angelic names and the astrological correspondences were part of one system.

What I would really like to know is where the connection with the 36 decans actually first appears. I have seen it mentioned in modern occult books plenty of times but usually without anyone pointing to an early source.
 

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My experience with the Shemhamphorash is limited to some very minor things, maybe a couple meditations and some talismans derived from some of the names ages ago.

It's my understanding that this is the only place in the books of Moses where 3 consecutive verses contain exactly 72 letters, and that this occurs right at the climax of Exodus, the parting of the sea, the ultimate display of god's power.

A couple things I never fully understood are exactly why would we need to read these in an alternating direction? I hear the point about it resembling the action of a plow, but is this the only explanation you find?

I'm also curious what you or others take this name(s) to represent? Is this meant to represent god's ultimate power over matter? Freedom/Salvation? Other themes from this story, or beyond it?

Do you think it's possible to find completely new interpretations hidden in these lines of the text?
The answer is simple: it is the secret. It represents the verses of the Exodus and the most powerful of Moses’ miracles—the parting of the sea—and reveals God’s absolute power in the form of the Angel of the Lord, who parted the sea and walked with Moses and the Israelites in the midst of the sea.

Are they names? No, they are not names; here, they are merely a rearrangement of letters, a triad that refers to the three aspects of each Dekan in a miniature and hidden form.

The Plow’s Path is not the only method; there are other methods that will produce other names in different arrangements, and when combined, they are suitable for every time and place. With them, you do not need astronomical observations, nor do the planets or celestial angles need to pave the way for you; rather, you will find more paths that lead you to every goal immediately and instantly.

Indeed, there are other aspects and interpretations, but they point to another question: Where do the meanings of each group of letters come from?

Also, will the names and records of the 72 aspects differ, thereby producing new entities? What myth will you uncover when you discover the other secrets?

Did they say fallen angels, demonic spirits, Goetia, and the Keys of Solomon?

But then who will the others be, and what are their stories???
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I always assumed the 72 names, the angelic names and the astrological correspondences were part of one system.

What I would really like to know is where the connection with the 36 decans actually first appears. I have seen it mentioned in modern occult books plenty of times but usually without anyone pointing to an early source.
It is indeed a single system, but was it invented solely by the Hebrews?
The answer is no... Here, they are both imitators and innovators at the same time.
If you want to know more, we’ll soon be knocking on the doors of other civilizations to ask them, so stay tuned, my friend...
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Very smart and educated Jewish people who created all the systems that most western magick comes from.
Establishing intellectual dominance comes from taking a calculated risk to reveal one aspect of the secret... isn't that right?
 
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It came after the construction of Judaism , starting at time of Josiah , popular via Hasmodeans and then all juggled around to make a retro-engineered , time warp backwards , with Greek sources claiming origins that didnt exist but were Egypto-Canaanite .

Gematria requires consistency ; “Shemhamforash” .... '' Shimhemforash '' ??? Maybe try ' Shem HaMephorash ' .

It was calculated to show significance during the change over period from 11th to 12 C - see ' Boustrophedon '. Which had an origin in, guess where , ancient Egypt , as most stuff was lifted from to create Judaism .

Since I dont want to enter into some pointless religious faith argument ... here are the details from AI

I entered the above and asked for an analysis ;

'' Your perspective aligns perfectly with the historical, critical view of how religious and esoteric texts develop. From a secular and analytical standpoint, the 72 names were not a divine secret hidden by God or Moses, but a deliberately engineered, reverse-engineered puzzle designed by medieval scholars to find hidden depth in the text and assert the supernatural perfection of scripture.


The specific "who" and "when" behind this calculation points directly to a few known historical figures and groups who reverse-engineered it.

1. The Chief Architect: Rabbi Eleazar of Worms (c. 1176–1238)
While the idea of a "72-letter name" is vaguely mentioned in the Talmud by early Rabbis (the Amoraim) as a conceptual mystery, they never actually provided the 72 three-letter names or explained how to calculate them. [
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The mechanical "grid" method—reversing the middle line to force the puzzle to work—was officially calculated, written down, and popularized by Rabbi Eleazar of Worms. He was the leader of the Ashkenazi Hasidim (a movement of German Jewish mystics). He is widely recognized by historians as the primary compiler of
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(The Book of Raziel the Angel), the text that laid out the 72 names in full for the first time. [
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2. The Midwife of the Idea: The Authors of the Sefer Bahir (c. 1174)
Slightly before Eleazar, an anonymous group of mystics in Southern France published The Sefer Bahir (The Book of Brightness). This book argued that the Torah was a coded mathematical blueprint of the universe. They were the ones who first publicly pointed to Exodus 14:19-21 and claimed that the 72 letters in each verse were proof of a divine code. [
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Why and How It Was "Reverse Engineered"
From a literary and structural perspective, your assessment is correct: this was a puzzle calculated to give the scripture absolute validity.
  • The Scribes Knew the Letter Counts: Medieval Jewish scribes were obsessively precise. They counted every single letter in the Torah to ensure no errors were made during copying. Scribes naturally noticed that three consecutive verses in Exodus description of the Red Sea split each had exactly 72 letters. [
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  • The "Problem" with the Text: If you read those three verses normally, they don't form secret words. If you just lay them out side-by-side, the letters don't create anything cohesive.
  • The Reverse Engineering (The Boustrophedon Cheat): To make a "divine system" out of it, medieval mystics applied a known cryptographic technique used in ancient Greek and Hebrew texts: writing the middle line backward. By reversing Verse 20, they forced the letters into specific alignments that generated pronounceable triplets. [
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The Ultimate Goal: Validation of Scripture
During the 12th and 13th centuries, Judaism was under intense pressure from both Christian theologians and rationalist philosophers (like Maimonides) who argued that the literal stories of the Bible were basic or outdated.
By reverse-engineering a flawless mathematical grid out of the text's most famous miracle scene, medieval mystics could say: "Look at this. No human writer could compose three consecutive verses describing a sea splitting, make them all exactly 72 letters long, and encode 72 secret codes into them using a matrix. This proves the text is of supernatural origin."
It was a brilliant piece of medieval cryptography designed to serve as ultimate proof of the Torah's divine authorship.

''

Except now .... busted ! ;)
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Gematria requires consistency ; “Shemhamforash” .... '' Shimhemforash '' ??? Maybe try ' Shem HaMephorash ' .
Your spirit is bold, impetuous, and fearless, my friend: but breaking up the ground with a plow is just one method—others include using a horse or an elephant. There are many methods. Why did they choose this one over the others? That is the crux of the matter I’m referring to...
 

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Your spirit is bold, impetuous, and fearless, my friend: but breaking up the ground with a plow is just one method—others include using a horse or an elephant. There are many methods. Why did they choose this one over the others? That is the crux of the matter I’m referring to...

Need I really answer this ? See 'aleph ' . Horses as plow animals came later .

Elephants .... I suggest you try it yourself :D

But you will not , I assume ... if you do ;

Ox -Pulling CapacityCan easily pull a standard 900 kg (2,000 lb) plow for hours. Elephant - Can drag or push loads exceeding 6,800 kg (15,000 lbs).Daily Food Needed ox - 10–15 kg (22–33 lbs) of dry forage/hay per animal. Elephant -150–200 kg (330–440 lbs) of vegetation. Daily Water Needed ox - 30–50 liters (8–13 gallons) per animal. Elephant- 100–200 liters (26–50 gallons).Time Spent Feeding ox - A few hours of grazing; they chew cud while resting. Elephant - 14–19 hours a day just foraging and eating. Digestion Efficiency ox - Highly efficient ruminants (4-chambered stomach). Elephant - Inefficient simple stomach; under 50% digested.

I dont think they had elephants in Canaan AFTER the development of agriculture .

But maybe you are suggesting the very early practice of breaking up the ground , by plow with a human pulling it ?

Answer to that is related to the 'slavery' involved with the transition to agriculture and the fact that this predated animal husbandry .
 

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I think from hebrew shem (name) ha(the) mephorash ( from pharash meaning to speard so mephorash is past participle of pharash. Therefore mephorash means streached or expanded metaphorically used to say declared)
General meaning become the declared name so come from declaring or explaining each names of God
 

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It came after the construction of Judaism , starting at time of Josiah , popular via Hasmodeans and then all juggled around to make a retro-engineered , time warp backwards , with Greek sources claiming origins that didnt exist but were Egypto-Canaanite .

Gematria requires consistency ; “Shemhamforash” .... '' Shimhemforash '' ??? Maybe try ' Shem HaMephorash ' .

It was calculated to show significance during the change over period from 11th to 12 C - see ' Boustrophedon '. Which had an origin in, guess where , ancient Egypt , as most stuff was lifted from to create Judaism .

Since I dont want to enter into some pointless religious faith argument ... here are the details from AI

I entered the above and asked for an analysis ;

'' Your perspective aligns perfectly with the historical, critical view of how religious and esoteric texts develop. From a secular and analytical standpoint, the 72 names were not a divine secret hidden by God or Moses, but a deliberately engineered, reverse-engineered puzzle designed by medieval scholars to find hidden depth in the text and assert the supernatural perfection of scripture.


The specific "who" and "when" behind this calculation points directly to a few known historical figures and groups who reverse-engineered it.

1. The Chief Architect: Rabbi Eleazar of Worms (c. 1176–1238)
While the idea of a "72-letter name" is vaguely mentioned in the Talmud by early Rabbis (the Amoraim) as a conceptual mystery, they never actually provided the 72 three-letter names or explained how to calculate them. [
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The mechanical "grid" method—reversing the middle line to force the puzzle to work—was officially calculated, written down, and popularized by Rabbi Eleazar of Worms. He was the leader of the Ashkenazi Hasidim (a movement of German Jewish mystics). He is widely recognized by historians as the primary compiler of
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(The Book of Raziel the Angel), the text that laid out the 72 names in full for the first time. [
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2. The Midwife of the Idea: The Authors of the Sefer Bahir (c. 1174)
Slightly before Eleazar, an anonymous group of mystics in Southern France published The Sefer Bahir (The Book of Brightness). This book argued that the Torah was a coded mathematical blueprint of the universe. They were the ones who first publicly pointed to Exodus 14:19-21 and claimed that the 72 letters in each verse were proof of a divine code. [
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Why and How It Was "Reverse Engineered"
From a literary and structural perspective, your assessment is correct: this was a puzzle calculated to give the scripture absolute validity.
  • The Scribes Knew the Letter Counts: Medieval Jewish scribes were obsessively precise. They counted every single letter in the Torah to ensure no errors were made during copying. Scribes naturally noticed that three consecutive verses in Exodus description of the Red Sea split each had exactly 72 letters. [
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  • The "Problem" with the Text: If you read those three verses normally, they don't form secret words. If you just lay them out side-by-side, the letters don't create anything cohesive.
  • The Reverse Engineering (The Boustrophedon Cheat): To make a "divine system" out of it, medieval mystics applied a known cryptographic technique used in ancient Greek and Hebrew texts: writing the middle line backward. By reversing Verse 20, they forced the letters into specific alignments that generated pronounceable triplets. [
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The Ultimate Goal: Validation of Scripture
During the 12th and 13th centuries, Judaism was under intense pressure from both Christian theologians and rationalist philosophers (like Maimonides) who argued that the literal stories of the Bible were basic or outdated.
By reverse-engineering a flawless mathematical grid out of the text's most famous miracle scene, medieval mystics could say: "Look at this. No human writer could compose three consecutive verses describing a sea splitting, make them all exactly 72 letters long, and encode 72 secret codes into them using a matrix. This proves the text is of supernatural origin."
It was a brilliant piece of medieval cryptography designed to serve as ultimate proof of the Torah's divine authorship.

''

Except now .... busted ! ;)
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While I pretty much agree that the interpretation we most often see was devised to strengthen the claims of divine authorship, I do think that what's come from this interpretation has produced a lot which is practically useful. Like I said in my post, this isn't something I've really worked with, but I've known many people who connect with the angel names derived from this method as a primary part of their practice, so it must contain some value.

Beyond looking at how and why this text was interpreted in this way, I'm curious what else we might learn from the text itself. I almost never see anyone discuss the actual text this all comes from, and how that applies to it. People fixate on the boustrophedon reading and the separation into angel names, and don't question why or if that makes any sense at all.

This interpretation is clearly a later invention of the 12th century, but the 3 consecutive lines of 72 letters exist since the earliest examples of Exodus 14:19–21. The oldest example I've found is from the dead sea scrolls, 4Q11 (4QpaleoGen-Exod), which is 2000-2100 years old. I think it's likely that the human authors did this for a reason, and that the reason was not to argue for divine authorship or to produce names of angels.

Do you think it was it simply meant to reinforce the depiction of god's ultimate power in this scene? Perhaps any further meanings derived from this are all inventions that were not intended by the author? Does that give them any less value?
 

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Where does the name “Shemhamforash” come from?

Angelkesfarl:First of all, it comes from the science of simplification and decomposition.

The sages who devised it derived it from three verses of the Torah in the well-known narrative known to most scholars—though, of course, that is not my only point. It also stems from the fact that the method employed by the ancient sages was modeled after the path of a plow: straight, then in the opposite direction, then straight again

—resulting in seventy-two letters for each of the three verses, which were publicly proclaimed. the birth of the seventy-two astrological decans in their three aspects, forming the number 216.

I am fascinated by numbers, for they are the language of unchanging truth... So what they call the “single” or “fragmented” name, Shimhemforash, is in fact three verses from which they claim all secrets emerged.

When their initial arrangement is complete, we will need to divide by another coefficient, 2, to arrive at the center of the circle, thereby identifying the top, bottom, east, and west of the astronomical circle, which is by its very nature divided into 12 months and 12 hours. Oh, a new number has appeared—12. Let’s talk about it, please, and take it in with our own eyes. Dividing 72 by 12 gives 6—oh my God, a new number has been born as well: 6 × 36 = 216, another initial form. And strangely, it is the product of 3 × 12 = 36—it is also half the cycle of celestial movements for every 72 astrological decans. Ah, so are we filling the void with letters, then???

From this arises a complete movement that changed the course of human history—especially Western history—in the search for the secret: Let’s knock politely on our neighbors’ doors and ask them: O ancient civilizations, were you aware of the decans, and did they have other names among you??? Why did they choose only the ternary system???

Was it because there are only three such verses, or because there were other considerations? Or is it that, with all that has been written, transcribed, experimented with, and created—and in which scholars spent their lifetimes and experimenters derived most of their secrets—it is merely a first step in a vast, welcoming universe?

I apologize, my friends, if I have caused you any inconvenience, but it is a matter
I think there are two different things being mixed together here.

The name Shem ha-Meforash itself is Hebrew, שם המפורש, and basically means something like “the explicit name” or “the clearly expressed name.” In older Jewish sources, this usually refers to the Divine Name, especially the Tetragrammaton, YHWH. So originally, “Shem ha-Meforash” was not simply the name of the 72 angels or the 72 triplets.

The connection with the number 72 comes from Exodus 14:19–21. In Hebrew, each of those three verses has 72 letters. The traditional method arranges the first verse in one direction, the second in reverse, and the third normally again. When you put them together, you get 72 groups of three letters.

So:

72 × 3 = 216 letters.

That is the basis of the 72-fold Name.

The astrological connection is interesting, but I think it comes later. There are actually 36 traditional decans, not 72. If you divide the zodiac into 72 parts, you get divisions of 5 degrees, so there are two of these divisions inside each 10-degree decan.

So I would not say the 72 Names came from the decans. It is probably more accurate to say that later occult and Hermetic systems saw a very convenient correspondence between the 72 Names and the 72 divisions of 5 degrees in the zodiac.

The ternary aspect is also interesting, of course, because everything is built from three verses and three-letter groups. But before looking for a hidden astronomical reason for the number 3, the simplest explanation is that the method is based on three specific verses.

For me, the really interesting question is not “did the zodiac create the system?”, but rather: at what point did Jewish mystical ideas about the 72-fold Name become connected with astrology, decans and later Western ceremonial magic?

That is where the history gets really interesting.
 

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While I pretty much agree that the interpretation we most often see was devised to strengthen the claims of divine authorship, I do think that what's come from this interpretation has produced a lot which is practically useful. Like I said in my post, this isn't something I've really worked with, but I've known many people who connect with the angel names derived from this method as a primary part of their practice, so it must contain some value.

Perhaps ... if more than 'some connect ' has some value .

if someone posts or says ' I connect with it ' . without further explanation or showing what positive results ensued , I would ; 'Good for you then . ''


Beyond looking at how and why this text was interpreted in this way, I'm curious what else we might learn from the text itself. I almost never see anyone discuss the actual text this all comes from, and how that applies to it. People fixate on the boustrophedon reading and the separation into angel names, and don't question why or if that makes any sense at all.

This interpretation is clearly a later invention of the 12th century, but the 3 consecutive lines of 72 letters exist since the earliest examples of Exodus 14:19–21. The oldest example I've found is from the dead sea scrolls, 4Q11 (4QpaleoGen-Exod), which is 2000-2100 years old. I think it's likely that the human authors did this for a reason, and that the reason was not to argue for divine authorship or to produce names of angels.

Do you think it was it simply meant to reinforce the depiction of god's ultimate power in this scene?

No , not 'simply' at all , it was 'veiled' in levels of complexity .

For a fuller examination go back to the development of Hebrew letters , through the Aramaic shift , the Paleo-Hebrew script ( which your 4Q11 is written in ) , the Proto- Sinaitic Origins, the ( rather innovative transition from ) Egyptian Hieroglyphics .

Also the first relationship of the name was related to 'YHWH' and when you quoted notes that ancient scribes "did this for a reason" that was not "to produce names of angels," you are historically accurate. The 72-angel interpretation did not develop until centuries later in Kabbalistic circles. The original, ancient reason for manipulating these letters was entirely tied to scribal reverence and textual preservation , which I already pointed out

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, it is clear that these authors were highly trained professionals managing column widths, line breaks, and formatting. Manipulating letter spacing or alphabet styles was a human tool used to structure a uniform reading experience.

See the link I made to the list of Israel Finkelstein's lectures above , specifically 'scribal traditions ' and the history and development of writing in ancient Canaan . ( Episode 14 , I think ? .... 'The Shmunis Family Conversations in the Archaeology and History of Ancient Israel series' ...top stuff . Dont take my word for it, check out his cred first ;

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Perhaps any further meanings derived from this are all inventions that were not intended by the author? Does that give them any less value?

No ... as , you probably know ... you can use 'The Hokey - Pokey ' as an invocation

But I cant assure you of what might be invoked ;)

I assume you have read the rest of the Jewish Bible ?
 

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Do you have a theory as to why the earlier scribes would have been ensuring that these 3 consecutive verses contained 72 letters?

Because I don't find anyone speculating on this for over 1000 years after the oldest copies were produced. I don't see any reason to believe that the original intent and the later interpretations are the same. And I don't think these interpretations would make much sense from the pov of a 1st century BC scribe. I think the purpose of these interpretations lines up with your first post. To say originally Shem HaMephorash = YHVH, of course, no argument. I just think we might have a more interesting mystery with Exodus 14:19–21 that hasn't been exposed yet.

As for working with the angel names derived in this tradition, I find that interesting as well, and see it as another separate part of all this. Newer mysteries built on reimagining older ones. There are certainly varying levels of seriousness here in practice, as with everything. Ranging all the way from people who might just think they "connect with" something and feel warm and fuzzy, to what I was talking about with people who work with them opposite the demons of Goetia a-la Rudd, as a core component of their magic.
 

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Need I really answer this ? See 'aleph ' . Horses as plow animals came later .

Elephants .... I suggest you try it yourself :D

But you will not , I assume ... if you do ;

Ox -Pulling CapacityCan easily pull a standard 900 kg (2,000 lb) plow for hours. Elephant - Can drag or push loads exceeding 6,800 kg (15,000 lbs).Daily Food Needed ox - 10–15 kg (22–33 lbs) of dry forage/hay per animal. Elephant -150–200 kg (330–440 lbs) of vegetation. Daily Water Needed ox - 30–50 liters (8–13 gallons) per animal. Elephant- 100–200 liters (26–50 gallons).Time Spent Feeding ox - A few hours of grazing; they chew cud while resting. Elephant - 14–19 hours a day just foraging and eating. Digestion Efficiency ox - Highly efficient ruminants (4-chambered stomach). Elephant - Inefficient simple stomach; under 50% digested.

I dont think they had elephants in Canaan AFTER the development of agriculture .

But maybe you are suggesting the very early practice of breaking up the ground , by plow with a human pulling it ?

Answer to that is related to the 'slavery' involved with the transition to agriculture and the fact that this predated animal husbandry .
You’re joking, right???
Is the truth really that a horse and an elephant move on a chessboard??

And a bull and a plow, too?

There’s a type of walk called “al-farz” and “al-farzan”—look up the linguistic origins, as these are extremely precise Eastern terms that were learned in Babylon during the period of captivity…?

I’ll bring the distances closer to you and point my finger at the stars. Look around you at night—you’ll see stars adorning the sky… There are hidden connections between them called “threads” or “angles,” and they form the constellations, lunar houses, and astrological decans???

Look and look closely—do you see anything written in the sky???

Now, would you turn your gaze back to the earth, look at the shapes of the constellations, and then look up at the sky again???
If you link them to laws, you’ll see them as drawn, but in the end, they’re imaginary threads representing a language like Enochian or the so-called angelic language...

Let’s go back to square one: You need to define the thing and be able to subject it to measurement in order for it to become a science—or even an art???

Would you please look at the sky instead of my finger??
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it comes from Anton LaVey
No, no, it doesn't come from him—he's just a copycat, not an innovator?? It predates him by several thousand years...
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I think from hebrew shem (name) ha(the) mephorash ( from pharash meaning to speard so mephorash is past participle of pharash. Therefore mephorash means streached or expanded metaphorically used to say declared)
General meaning become the declared name so come from declaring or explaining each names of God
And is God’s name hidden so that they can reveal it?
God is all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-wise—so does He need to be hidden?? Or is it they who need to hide Him in order to create a myth?
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While I pretty much agree that the interpretation we most often see was devised to strengthen the claims of divine authorship, I do think that what's come from this interpretation has produced a lot which is practically useful. Like I said in my post, this isn't something I've really worked with, but I've known many people who connect with the angel names derived from this method as a primary part of their practice, so it must contain some value.

Beyond looking at how and why this text was interpreted in this way, I'm curious what else we might learn from the text itself. I almost never see anyone discuss the actual text this all comes from, and how that applies to it. People fixate on the boustrophedon reading and the separation into angel names, and don't question why or if that makes any sense at all.

This interpretation is clearly a later invention of the 12th century, but the 3 consecutive lines of 72 letters exist since the earliest examples of Exodus 14:19–21. The oldest example I've found is from the dead sea scrolls, 4Q11 (4QpaleoGen-Exod), which is 2000-2100 years old. I think it's likely that the human authors did this for a reason, and that the reason was not to argue for divine authorship or to produce names of angels.

Do you think it was it simply meant to reinforce the depiction of god's ultimate power in this scene? Perhaps any further meanings derived from this are all inventions that were not intended by the author? Does that give them any less value?
Actually, it’s even older than that—it dates back specifically to the time of the Babylonian captivity…

Does it have any value? I’ll answer you with a question: Does gold have any value? Where does that value come from? And what benefit does the metal offer that allows us to use it as a standard of measurement?
People have differed greatly, but they’ve all agreed on one thing: the pursuit of self-interest… What does that have to do with this matter…???

Domination in times of slavery stems from two things: instilling fear and awe...

Are those angels and demons real beings, and do they serve a purpose???

Of course they’re real—truly real and earthly as well. At the same time, it’s a dilemma, and the solution lies with you, not with me.
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I think there are two different things being mixed together here.

The name Shem ha-Meforash itself is Hebrew, שם המפורש, and basically means something like “the explicit name” or “the clearly expressed name.” In older Jewish sources, this usually refers to the Divine Name, especially the Tetragrammaton, YHWH. So originally, “Shem ha-Meforash” was not simply the name of the 72 angels or the 72 triplets.

The connection with the number 72 comes from Exodus 14:19–21. In Hebrew, each of those three verses has 72 letters. The traditional method arranges the first verse in one direction, the second in reverse, and the third normally again. When you put them together, you get 72 groups of three letters.

So:

72 × 3 = 216 letters.

That is the basis of the 72-fold Name.

The astrological connection is interesting, but I think it comes later. There are actually 36 traditional decans, not 72. If you divide the zodiac into 72 parts, you get divisions of 5 degrees, so there are two of these divisions inside each 10-degree decan.

So I would not say the 72 Names came from the decans. It is probably more accurate to say that later occult and Hermetic systems saw a very convenient correspondence between the 72 Names and the 72 divisions of 5 degrees in the zodiac.

The ternary aspect is also interesting, of course, because everything is built from three verses and three-letter groups. But before looking for a hidden astronomical reason for the number 3, the simplest explanation is that the method is based on three specific verses.

For me, the really interesting question is not “did the zodiac create the system?”, but rather: at what point did Jewish mystical ideas about the 72-fold Name become connected with astrology, decans and later Western ceremonial magic?

That is where the history gets really interesting.
For history to become interesting, imagine the following:

You are in Babylon, the birthplace of magic... and you have just returned from a long journey that began with the ancient Egyptians, the birthplace of astronomy...

Alone in the midst of an unbearable hell of captivity, you see the Chosen People... without a magician?????

Since you are the one who guides the people and gives them patience, you have engaged with the religious elite and made a truce with them, promising that you would not convert anyone to Judaism… to the Lord who stands among the pantheon of gods.

Satan knows you well, for he used to visit your city when the Prophet Solomon ruled.

As I told my friends, the heavens lie vast before you, your knowledge is boundless, and all the books of magic and the jinn were recorded in the ages of our forefathers...

And you will journey and move through the rise and fall of nations from east to west; you will live among the Hermeticists on a journey that took you from Egypt to Jerusalem to Rome.

The explicit name is “Adonai Ehad” (אָנֹכִי יְהוָה אֱלֹהֶיךָ).

The hidden meaning is the number five—night and day… the 20 minutes out of 1,440 minutes each day?
And what is even more astonishing is that 1,440 is also the product of 4 × 360 = 1,440
And even stranger is that 72 × 20 minutes = 1,440, which is the same number as
1,440 ÷ 42 = 60. Look at that binary pattern for the 30-degree constellation: 2 × 60 = 60, and also 30 ÷ 3 = 10, and 10 × 36 = 360 × 4 = 1,440.

You asked for the practical aspect, didn’t you?

What is the product derived from 360? Oh, it’s a reference to the complete circle and to every angle in astronomy. Hmmmm… Their lives must have been difficult to come up with such complexity… I think it took longer than our lifetimes for them to compose and piece together the threads of the matter—finding the divine words = 19, 20, 21 from Chapter 14... and the chapter—all these things weren’t chosen in vain, but to separate the people of the day from those of the night so that matters may be set right. For this isn’t merely a numbers game you rely on to achieve magic. “Leave this false interpretation alone; it is the interpretation of the ignorant regarding the inner workings of things.” Every angel rules a quintet that points immediatelyAs for the five-pointed star: It is a complete science and art that gives rise to a new image which will define the names, angels, and demons, and connect them through your apparent and hidden scientific links. It will then evolve over time, but—to be precise—you will evolve under your celestial, stellar canopy, not outside of it, if you value scientific accuracy and integrity.
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Do you have a theory as to why the earlier scribes would have been ensuring that these 3 consecutive verses contained 72 letters?

Because I don't find anyone speculating on this for over 1000 years after the oldest copies were produced. I don't see any reason to believe that the original intent and the later interpretations are the same. And I don't think these interpretations would make much sense from the pov of a 1st century BC scribe. I think the purpose of these interpretations lines up with your first post. To say originally Shem HaMephorash = YHVH, of course, no argument. I just think we might have a more interesting mystery with Exodus 14:19–21 that hasn't been exposed yet.

As for working with the angel names derived in this tradition, I find that interesting as well, and see it as another separate part of all this. Newer mysteries built on reimagining older ones. There are certainly varying levels of seriousness here in practice, as with everything. Ranging all the way from people who might just think they "connect with" something and feel warm and fuzzy, to what I was talking about with people who work with them opposite the demons of Goetia a-la Rudd, as a core component of their magic.
This is the crux of the matter as a whole. There is a specific system with its own secrets and mysteries called the science of letter formation—“al-basat wa al-takseer”—and the methods of interpretation place the dots on the letters; they call each letter to its natural place. No three-letter name came out of thin air or was fabricated without scientific basis. No, my friend; rather, it is the very essence of the entire poem, and the meaning lies within the poet’s heart. Likewise, the meaning lies within the heart of the original author, who simply did not reveal it because it was considered a magical secret. But where did it come from, and how did it achieve those results? It is not a grimoire born of human imagination; rather, it is a complete manifestation of entities. Pay close attention to my words and scrutinize them carefully: these are real, existing entities—nations, tribes, provinces, and legions of demons and jinn. Call them whatever you like—be it Druidic, Roman, or “Hebrew”—and with you are true divine words; think about how you will name them.”

In the beginning, I used to see strange talismans with bizarre shapes and exquisite images, as well as magic squares containing numbers that make you want to bang your head against the nearest wall—how were they arranged in such a geometric manner? And what is this immense influence that controls a person, makes them love or hate, lose or recover???

How could this man, sitting on a mountain, draw on clay mixed with herbs and strike another man right in the heart—in the very heart of the capitals of thought, beauty, and civilization—knocking him down dead for the love of a girl who is neither worthy of that status nor of this form of love…
Despite their knowledge and culture, aren’t these supernatural abilities—which even the most rigorous academic institutions, with their meticulous scientific scrutiny, cannot explain—causing their theories to crumble before him???

The only explanation I have at this early stage, lest I go mad, is that “There is a mathematical pattern and a secret that man is hiding from me. There must be a connection between the magic square he wrote and the living science of other numbers—it is the sum of the letters in the sentence, for example: ‘So-and-so wants the love of So-and-so,’ along with the name of an angel, the name of the day, the name of the ruler, the name of the servant, and the remarkable number 1440.”Then mathematical calculations emerge, and finally it fills with numbers; he writes down what he has entered into them, then mutters to himself—and I find that this is how it happens, without the fanfare of romantic celebrations, without ceremonial magic, and without the pretense of swords, daggers, and so on.
 
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Do you have a theory as to why the earlier scribes would have been ensuring that these 3 consecutive verses contained 72 letters?

1 . For the visual eloquence and sheer cleverness ; this was also a part of oral traditions which evolved from 'song ' and 'song was not just 'songs' as we know them . The incredible near superhuman ( to us nowadays ) skill, memory and info contained can be explored in such sources as 'Aboriginal song lines ' , The Avestas , The old parts of the Rig Veda (in Sanskrit ) and held supreme importance in many crucial areas . the leaders and prophets of the past , are said not to have 'constructed them ; but they flowed forth from their lips and contained complex inner relationships, hidden messages and cross references . Or they constructed them unconsciously . Later people emulated that ... it even exists in Thelemic Liber , eg ; Liber 963I am not going to type all that out so
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Liber DCCCCLXIII (963): The Treasure House of Images is a foundational text in Aleister Crowley's A∴A∴ system, composed by his early disciple J.F.C. Fuller. Structured entirely around the 12 signs of the Zodiac and the Sun, its primary purpose is to act as a devotional framework for attaining the "Unity of God" through the "Twelvefold Adoration". [
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\(\text{13\ Chapters}\times \text{13\ Verses}=\text{169\ Total\ Adorations}\)
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2. as a code to ensure correct hand copying . Instead of examining each word and letter , just add the values and see if they total 72 .

3. Scribes were also into sacred geometry and cosmic order , they tried to construct and emulate . Maybe they knew 72 relates to 1 degree of Earth's equinoctial precession .It also fits into base 60 and 12 ( I talked about that ,,, here or elsewhere ? cant remember) or some other 72 that was significant I haven't thought of , or was mistaken or is valid but unknown.

4, The choice available when selecting vowels going from 'abjad' to 'vocalized' or 'pointed' script ie. older to more contemporary ( for the time of translation ) , under the influence of ^ 3

5. retrofit - originally it nearly had a 72 match , someone saw it and fiddled with it ( Maybe they added a definite article he or a conjunction vav) to make them match precisely , then the checking (in above 2 set it ) and later came the kabbalistic interpretation?


6 Verbotten ! ( by me ) I aint going near the tri dimensions grid set up ... I done enough , how about you play with that one <passes the hot potato over > ....


Because I don't find anyone speculating on this for over 1000 years after the oldest copies were produced. I don't see any reason to believe that the original intent and the later interpretations are the same. And I don't think these interpretations would make much sense from the pov of a 1st century BC scribe. I think the purpose of these interpretations lines up with your first post. To say originally Shem HaMephorash = YHVH, of course, no argument. I just think we might have a more interesting mystery with Exodus 14:19–21 that hasn't been exposed yet.#

Mokay then , forget all that and go back to my first post :)

As for working with the angel names derived in this tradition, I find that interesting as well, and see it as another separate part of all this. Newer mysteries built on reimagining older ones. There are certainly varying levels of seriousness here in practice,


... and with me ;)

as with everything. Ranging all the way from people who might just think they "connect with" something and feel warm and fuzzy, to what I was talking about with people who work with them opposite the demons of Goetia a-la Rudd, as a core component of their magic.

If they will . I would rather use my own expansions on the work of Dr Dee rather than someone else's expansions that I expanded on ... But that's just me . (The best part of the fun was spending 90+ hrs painting the tablets , then visiting the pyramids 'on the astral' . )

But I dont do such techno stuff no more ;) - somewhere there are probably dusty magical diaries detailing it ... or maybe they went to the dump ?

My practice has 'matured' now and has become very specific to ' genius loci' .... and indigenous connections x tutelary deity .
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You’re joking, right???

Only as much as you are . What do you expect with unclear syntax and metaphor ... ie. look what you actually wrote !

Is the truth really that a horse and an elephant move on a chessboard??

And a bull and a plow, too?

There’s a type of walk called “al-farz” and “al-farzan”—look up the linguistic origins, as these are extremely precise Eastern terms that were learned in Babylon during the period of captivity…?

I’ll bring the distances closer to you and point my finger at the stars. Look around you at night—you’ll see stars adorning the sky… There are hidden connections between them called “threads” or “angles,” and they form the constellations, lunar houses, and astrological decans???

Now strange punctuation as well as syntax , whats with all the ???? but no question. and dont act the guru nor do your 'Buddha pointing' , to me ...Mr Angel .

As far as your instruction re 'decans ' go .... pffffft ..... ' kindergarten !

I see more stars at night than you can imagine , and ones you might never see . unless up are near the South celestial Pole, like I am . Are you ? ( that IS a question )

Look and look closely—do you see anything written in the sky???

Of course I do, and I see it written in the rocks as well, from some of the most ancient people on Earth ! Long before Arab 'law' and Persian mental gymnastics and texts .... go ' look up you Avesta ' if you want the real source of Persian linguistics

Things written in the sky may be meaningless ... or they can be practical ;

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Now, would you turn your gaze back to the earth, look at the shapes of the constellations, and then look up at the sky again???

What ?! The 'shapes of the constellations' ? these strange 'square shapes' ;

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Maybe you meant 'asterisms ' ?


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As an angel, you should know they are purely arbitrary and have changed over time and cultural viewpoint . - they even chopped off Scorpio's claws and gave them to Libra ! ( and what is a scopion without claws ! ).

Anyway . its 'actually . two circle guardians chasing a boy and girl lawbreaker, throwing their stick and boomerang after them ... and that is the most 'scorpionic' story ever told ! If you know it . So , 'can' your attempts at 'looking down' and 'educating' me to the 'right truth' .



If you link them to laws, you’ll see them as drawn, but in the end, they’re imaginary threads representing a language like Enochian or the so-called angelic language...

You can 'can' your headmaster tone with me thanks .

Angelic script eh ? Nah ! Agrippa just fiddled with Hebrew and Greek letters and added dots and stuff . Kircher was the one that adapted them to IDEAS about star connections and the idea that they were angel's language came from 16th C Christian occultists . Dee fiddled de Dee later with them .



Let’s go back to square one: You need to define the thing and be able to subject it to measurement in order for it to become a science—or even an art???

Is that a question or a statement ?

Would you please look at the sky instead of my finger??

Maybe his keypad is broken :unsure:

Need I explain where that finger really belongs , Oh star pointer ?

If you want a proper conversation ... adjust your tone !
 
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I don’t like to make things personal, and I don’t want anything from you, but you’re talking about the answer regarding the elephant and its load—which has absolutely nothing to do with spiritual or magical knowledge.
I don’t care about The 13th Theory or Thelma’s planetary rituals; they are nothing compared to the truth, which is simply that the entire West drew its inspiration from the East...

And now, for everyone:
1. The ancient Egyptians devised the “decan” system (consisting of 36 star clusters or specific stars) to calculate the hours of the night and divide the Egyptian year.
2- The division of 360 degrees: The Egyptians divided the celestial sphere into 36 parts, each spanning 10 degrees (a decan) and governing a period of 10 days (a decade).

3- The star Sopdet (Sirius): This was the most important decan, as its heliacal rising was associated with the flooding of the Nile and the beginning of the new year.

4- The decans were not merely astronomical designations; they were considered divine beings and guardian spirits (Bakhtiu). Each decan was associated with a specific god and had a medicinal or magical effect on a part of the human body.

These are the foundations upon which Hebrew thought was based—learned, of course, from Egypt—and it was here that they became intertwined with the miraculous events attributed to Solomon “the Prophet.” We can imagine that in that era, when myth and truth were intertwined in human thought, there was a people facing a life unlike any other that has ever existed or will ever exist on earth again. He was a pure prophet whom God called upon to teach him wisdom and grant him a kingdom that no one else could attain. God placed everything at his disposal—the winds, humans, the jinn, birds, and animals— and He even granted him the wisdom to rule over all those realms and to speak to them in their own languages. Thus, our master Solomon “the Prophet” could speak to an ant and command the wind to rage or subside in the name of God Himself, simply by invoking God.

When the jinn came before the council of the Wise King and the Noble Prophet, humans could see them with their own eyes—with their armies, their words, their forms, and their powers. That is why I warned Ali that he was thinking like them. Then, after his death, the kingdom collapsed, fell apart, and the Babylonian Exile took place:
There they found the following:
1. The Sumerians and Babylonians laid the mathematical foundation for astronomy through the sexagesimal (Base-60) numeral system and calculated the movements of the planets with high precision.

2- The Babylonians devised the zodiac (12 signs) to link the movements of the sun and planets to earthly phenomena and events (astrological divination and kingship).

3- Babylonian magic relied on invoking celestial spirits and interpreting the movements of the seven ancient planets as divine messages that determined one’s fortune and destiny.

There, they merged their existing knowledge with what they had learned, and the idea began to take shape, producing the initial form of the system of astrological decans. Many magical secrets were derived from it because, as I said, astronomy in itself is empty, but you can simulate the system again. The names changed, but if you delve deeper into your research, you will find that the definition of each decan and the powers attributed to it remained constant no matter how much they changed. The forms, names, and designations—based on its fixed astronomical measurements—made its effects constant as well. And thus the Hebrew genius was revealed in the system: the Tree of Life, the pulsating engine that transformed the course of magical history.

This was especially evident after these forces were introduced through the Greeks—the Greco-Egyptian-Babylonian synthesis: following Alexander the Great’s conquest of Egypt, Babylonian astronomy (the zodiac with its 12 signs) merged with the Egyptian division (36 decans). The final structure: It was decided to divide each of the 12 zodiac signs into 3 decans ($12 \times 3 = 36$ decans), with each decan covering 10 astronomical degrees. Each decan came to represent a specific “face” or magical image imbued with spiritual power (as later described in ancient books of magic).
(such as The Goal of the Wise / Picatrix). Decans were subsequently used to determine magical times free from ill fortune, to create amulets and healing inscriptions, and to invoke the celestial forces that influence the physical world.

Here, I will continue to highlight the secret behind the three Hebrew verses: how the names of the lower demons—such as Lucifer, Seri, etc., as well as Amon or even Amun and Baal-Zubub—emerged from them. How was each of these entities linked to an astrological decan, a higher angelic name, and a psalm?

Those who use books like GV fully understand the practical reality of the matter. As for what is written about the zodiac signs—Scorpio, Aries, and the rest—these are terms that have been agreed upon and established between the two worlds: the world of humans and the world of the jinn. A unified methodological framework is essential in order to be able to act or exert influence.

The secret requires time to be revealed so that we may understand what lies behind it.
A large part of this systematic connection already exists; each entity has a record of its origin. Is this the only and optimal record, or are there others that might be faster, more precise, and hidden from everyone—preserved by certain secret elites?

Second, the seven planets:

Their order is very significant. The order by day is: the Sun for Sunday, the Moon for Monday, Mars for Tuesday, Mercury for Wednesday, Jupiter for Thursday, Venus for Friday, and Saturn for Saturday.

But in the order of the celestial signs, you’ll find them as follows: Saturn, then Jupiter, then Mars, then the Sun, then Venus, then Mercury, then the Moon.

First, arrange them by day, then list them by celestial sign below that.
You’ll find that each planet perfectly matches its place in any magical sequence, whether attributed to the Keys of Solomon or otherwise.

Where did the celestial order of the signs come from?

And what is its connection to the Keys of Solomon and the Shim-Humforash system?

As for the formations at the poles, scientists have discussed and classified them; and through telescopic observation, there are billions of celestial bodies in our galaxy alone, not to mention others.


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I don’t like to make things personal, and I don’t want anything from you, but you’re talking about the answer regarding the elephant and its load—which has absolutely nothing to do with spiritual or magical knowledge.
I don’t care about The 13th Theory or Thelma’s planetary rituals; they are nothing compared to the truth,

Not only did you totally ignore everything relevant I said , your talking weirdly ; where did I mention '' he 13th Theory or Thelma’s planetary rituals '' and who is 'Thelma ' ?

.. and need I ask ''What is truth '' ? It seems YOU have the answer to that age old unanswered question ; that has to be ego of an unusually large variety !

which is simply that the entire West drew its inspiration from the East...

Rubbish ! You are ignoring Greek philosophy and logic ( no surprise on that one ! ) ; Socrates , Plato , Aristotle and their development of frameworks for formal logic, metaphysics and ethics . Democratic governance , frameworks from Athenian democracy and the Roman Republic for modern western politics and legal systems of civil law, property rights and legal contracts still within the Western legal system today .

YOU might say YOU don't want to get personal ... this isn't , it's just some facts . And it seems you are not being truthful , but actually suffering from some type of bias or prejudice .


And now, for everyone:
1. The ancient Egyptians devised the “decan” system (consisting of 36 star clusters or specific stars) to calculate the hours of the night and divide the Egyptian year.

I already said very clearly this goes back to Egypt .

2- The division of 360 degrees: The Egyptians divided the celestial sphere into 36 parts, each spanning 10 degrees (a decan) and governing a period of 10 days (a decade).

3- The star Sopdet (Sirius): This was the most important decan, as its heliacal rising was associated with the flooding of the Nile and the beginning of the new year.

4- The decans were not merely astronomical designations; they were considered divine beings and guardian spirits (Bakhtiu). Each decan was associated with a specific god and had a medicinal or magical effect on a part of the human body.

This is all really basic , any one that looked into the surface of Egyptology knows this .... all one has to do is glance at 9th and 10th dynasty coffin lids and or , what most might be familiar with ; the ceiling of Senenmut's tomb (much later - 18th Dynasty ) ;

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... and the decans just do not relate to parts of the body , like most things, they saw them as 'subsets of the neteru' .

These are the foundations upon which Hebrew thought was based—learned, of course, from Egypt—and it was here that they became intertwined with the miraculous events attributed to Solomon “the Prophet.”

There is no proof whatsoever that he existed outside of the Hebrew BIble and other religious scriptures based on that .

We can imagine that in that era, when myth and truth were intertwined in human thought, there was a people facing a life unlike any other that has ever existed or will ever exist on earth again. He was a pure prophet whom God called upon to teach him wisdom and grant him a kingdom that no one else could attain. God placed everything at his disposal—the winds, humans, the jinn, birds, and animals— and He even granted him the wisdom to rule over all those realms and to speak to them in their own languages. Thus, our master Solomon “the Prophet” could speak to an ant and command the wind to rage or subside in the name of God Himself, simply by invoking God.

When the jinn came before the council of the Wise King and the Noble Prophet, humans could see them with their own eyes—with their armies, their words, their forms, and their powers. That is why I warned Ali that he was thinking like them. Then, after his death, the kingdom collapsed, fell apart, and the Babylonian Exile took place:

It was an Egyptian kingdom . But In 605 BCE, the Babylonian crown prince
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faced the Egyptian army led by Pharaoh Necho II at the Battle of Carchemish in modern-day Syria. Egypt had moved into the region to claim former Assyrian territories ( not some made up Solomonic Empire ) .Babylon completely crushed the Egyptian forces and chased down the survivors, ending Egyptian control and influence in the area .

Then after defeating Egypt, Nebuchadnezzar marched south into Canaan and the Mediterranean coastal plain. Local kingdoms in Canaan—including the Kingdom of Judah—that had previously paid allegiance or tribute to Egypt were forced to submit to Babylonian rule instead.

The deportations came about because Judah repeatedly rebelled against Babylonian rule, choosing to trust Egyptian promises of military aid rather than remaining loyal to Babylon.
To break Judah's resistance, Nebuchadnezzar II used a standard Neo-Babylonian imperial tactic: forcefully relocating the ruling elite, skilled workers, and royal family to Mesopotamia to dismantle the nation's ability to revolt.
The deportations happened in three main waves over a twenty-year period.

This is basic history .


There they found the following:
1. The Sumerians and Babylonians laid the mathematical foundation for astronomy through the sexagesimal (Base-60) numeral system and calculated the movements of the planets with high precision.

2- The Babylonians devised the zodiac (12 signs) to link the movements of the sun and planets to earthly phenomena and events (astrological divination and kingship).

3- Babylonian magic relied on invoking celestial spirits and interpreting the movements of the seven ancient planets as divine messages that determined one’s fortune and destiny.

That bit is right .

There, they merged their existing knowledge with what they had learned, and the idea began to take shape, producing the initial form of the system of astrological decans. Many magical secrets were derived from it because, as I said, astronomy in itself is empty, but you can simulate the system again. The names changed, but if you delve deeper into your research, you will fthe definition of each decan and the powers attributed to it remained constant no matter how much they changedind that . The forms, names, and designations—based on its fixed astronomical measurements—made its effects constant as well. And thus the Hebrew genius was revealed in the system: the Tree of Life, the pulsating engine that transformed the course of magical history.

You left out the Hellenistic branch As the concept traveled through different civilisations and mystical systems, the decans underwent radical transformations in their structural definition, their planetary rulers, and the specific spiritual or practical powers assigned to them.
When Egypt merged with the Greco-Babylonian world around the 2nd century BCE, the decans were completely redefined. Instead of being actual physical stars, they were mathematical constructs . Post the construction of Judaism , In texts like the Picatrix and the writings of Agrippa, they were still changing ; the decans morphed from medical markers into daemonic and psychological archetypes. Many modern astrologers abandoned the traditional Chaldean order. Instead, they define decan rulers based on the elements (triplicities). For example, the second decan of Aries (a fire sign) is ruled by the Sun (ruler of Leo, the next fire sign), completely changing its energetic meaning from the traditional system. The GD added the tarot and still modern people make changes and additions

This was especially evident after these forces were introduced through the Greeks—the Greco-Egyptian-Babylonian synthesis: following Alexander the Great’s conquest of Egypt, Babylonian astronomy (the zodiac with its 12 signs) merged with the Egyptian division (36 decans). The final structure: It was decided to divide each of the 12 zodiac signs into 3 decans ($12 \times 3 = 36$ decans), with each decan covering 10 astronomical degrees.

I never paid for a decan in my life ! :sneaky:


Each decan came to represent a specific “face” or magical image imbued with spiritual power (as later described in ancient books of magic).
(such as The Goal of the Wise / Picatrix). Decans were subsequently used to determine magical times free from ill fortune, to create amulets and healing inscriptions, and to invoke the celestial forces that influence the physical world.

Here, I will continue to highlight the secret behind the three Hebrew verses: how the names of the lower demons—such as Lucifer, Seri, etc., as well as Amon or even Amun and Baal-Zubub—emerged from them. How was each of these entities linked to an astrological decan, a higher angelic name, and a psalm?

Those who use books like GV fully understand the practical reality of the matter. As for what is written about the zodiac signs—Scorpio, Aries, and the rest—these are terms that have been agreed upon and established between the two worlds: the world of humans and the world of the jinn. A unified methodological framework is essential in order to be able to act or exert influence.

The secret requires time to be revealed so that we may understand what lies behind it.
A large part of this systematic connection already exists; each entity has a record of its origin. Is this the only and optimal record, or are there others that might be faster, more precise, and hidden from everyone—preserved by certain secret elites?

Second, the seven planets:

Their order is very significant. The order by day is: the Sun for Sunday, the Moon for Monday, Mars for Tuesday, Mercury for Wednesday, Jupiter for Thursday, Venus for Friday, and Saturn for Saturday.

But in the order of the celestial signs, you’ll find them as follows: Saturn, then Jupiter, then Mars, then the Sun, then Venus, then Mercury, then the Moon.

That is the 'Chaldean order' in reverse and it based on the apparent visual speed of the celestial body .

First, arrange them by day, then list them by celestial sign below that.
You’ll find that each planet perfectly matches its place in any magical sequence, whether attributed to the Keys of Solomon or otherwise.

Where did the celestial order of the signs come from?

Ancient Babylonian astronomy .

And what is its connection to the Keys of Solomon and the Shim-Humforash system?

Mapping on to the 360 deg celestial circle.

As for the formations at the poles, scientists have discussed and classified them; and through telescopic observation, there are billions of celestial bodies in our galaxy alone, not to mention others.

Yes... the Universe contains around ;

galaxies - 2 × 10¹² ( note the'base' 12 )

stars - (2 × 10²² ) ( 3 '2's in that one )

size ? - 93 billion light years across

93 / 93 .
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Oh yeah ... juggling the heptagram with the order of the planets and the days of the week ;

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There is one of those 'Thelma's Stars ' again :cool:
 
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