Who is ALLAH? The Sovereign of the Unseen and the Manifest

[Morell]

A while ago I started a thread about removing Islamic magic from Islam and reworking the system: Islamic magic without Islamic patriarchy

The thread was invaded by pedophile-prophet-protectors so it didn't go anywhere.

But if anyone out there has disengaged Islamic magic from all the problematic stuff (patriarchy, anything that energetically connects to the egregore of Shariah law, hatred of "kaffirs" or that false prophet, or the aspect of Sufism that participated in Islamic colonialism/attacked pagan gods), I'd be interested if you start a discussion thread on it!

Magic is universal. No need to "free it" from anything. Nor Pedo, nor Carpenter own it, nor anyone else. None can take it from others.

 

[AbammonTheGreat]

A while ago I started a thread about removing Islamic magic from Islam and reworking the system: Islamic magic without Islamic patriarchy

The thread was invaded by pedophile-prophet-protectors so it didn't go anywhere.

But if anyone out there has disengaged Islamic magic from all the problematic stuff (patriarchy, anything that energetically connects to the egregore of Shariah law, hatred of "kaffirs" or that false prophet, or the aspect of Sufism that participated in Islamic colonialism/attacked pagan gods), I'd be interested if you start a discussion thread on it!

No you got blown out for being ignorant. Nobody likes an idea man. Thats like saying "hear me out. What if we can take the mexican out of tacos because I really dont like mexicans".

 

[Ananda]

Angelkesfari downloads books on magic gtom

A while ago I started a thread about removing Islamic magic from Islam and reworking the system: Islamic magic without Islamic patriarchy

The thread was invaded by pedophile-prophet-protectors so it didn't go anywhere.

But if anyone out there has disengaged Islamic magic from all the problematic stuff (patriarchy, anything that energetically connects to the egregore of Shariah law, hatred of "kaffirs" or that false prophet, or the aspect of Sufism that participated in Islamic colonialism/attacked pagan gods), I'd be interested if you start a discussion thread on it!

I'm from a buddhist background and anything islamic - the prayer, recitations, that image posted above, give me a bad vibe and I want to turn away. I'd stay far away from it.

 

[Morell]

Angelkesfari downloads books on magic gtom


I'm from a buddhist background and anything islamic - the prayer, recitations, that image posted above, give me a bad vibe and I want to turn away. I'd stay far away from it.

I stay away from Islamic stuff myself. Sometimes I wonder how can it be of help to anyone.

 

[Ananda]

You look for justice in material rewards, but the Greatest Mercy is the Consciousness itself—the silent space within you that observes the suffering without being consumed by it. That space is where the 'Successor' (Khalifa) resides, untouched by the starvation of the body or the coldness of the world.

Could you please provide citations from the Koran where this idea is expressed? I'm concerned that whatever esoteric school you belong to, may just borrow ideas from elsewhere, present them in an islamic garb, and claim that it belongs to Islam. I'm reminded of 'Zen Christians' and 'Christian non-duality', not that these are guilty of that sin.

Also, Angelkesfari also mentioned that those born with an astrological conjunction of saturn and mars have an affinity for magick. Readers should note that this idea does not make sense unless the idea of reincarnation, past lives and their interests and actions performed, are taken into account. It is also inaccurate, the correct combinations for a talent for occult perception are provided by vedic astrology.

 

[thepolestar]

Could you please provide citations from the Koran where this idea is expressed? I'm concerned that whatever esoteric school you belong to, may just borrow ideas from elsewhere, present them in an islamic garb, and claim that it belongs to Islam. I'm reminded of 'Zen Christians' and 'Christian non-duality', not that these are guilty of that sin.

Also, Angelkesfari also mentioned that those born with an astrological conjunction of saturn and mars have an affinity for magick. Readers should note that this idea does not make sense unless the idea of reincarnation, past lives and their interests and actions performed, are taken into account. It is also inaccurate, the correct combinations for a talent for occult perception are provided by vedic astrology.

Thank you for saying this. This is a HUGE thing.

I have a theory that this is why so many mosques are constructed on top of demolished temples - including the Dome of the Rock which is directly built on the foundation stone of the Second Jewish Temple. They harvest energy from conquered /subjugated sacred sites, and then they use philosophies taken from the cultures they murdered.

 

[Morell]

Thank you for saying this. This is a HUGE thing.

I have a theory that this is why so many mosques are constructed on top of demolished temples - including the Dome of the Rock which is directly built on the foundation stone of the Second Jewish Temple. They harvest energy from conquered /subjugated sacred sites, and then they use philosophies taken from the cultures they murdered.

Interesting. Guess that I was naive when I thought that only Christians do this kind of leeching on spiritual grounds.

But then, whoever wins, eradicates whoever was there before them. One day all these churches and mosques will be riased to the ground and replaced by new religious temples.

 

[thepolestar]

Rabbi Yishai Fleisher, who lives in Israel, recently posted a great video about this:

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Rabbi Yishai and a Knesset member take you on a tour to basically expose what's really going on with the Temple Mount. As a magician, you can put two and two together and figure out why the Dome of the Rock was strategically built on that site - energetic leeching, like you said!

 

[Ananda]

I have a theory that this is why so many mosques are constructed on top of demolished temples - including the Dome of the Rock

The link between the kaaba and the dome of the rock is weirder. 666 is the number of the beast, right?

Check out this video on the numerology of the distance between the dome of the rock and kaaba, and between the pyramid of Giza and the pyramid of Quetzalcoatl.

 

[Morell]

The link between the kaaba and the dome of the rock is weirder. 666 is the number of the beast, right?

Check out this video on the numerology of the distance between the dome of the rock and kaaba, and between the pyramid of Giza and the pyramid of Quetzalcoatl.

If I remember correct, 666 is number of perfect devil as well as perfect human. Might be that the two are one and the same?

 

[Angelkesfarl]

Well, have you noticed what I am noticing?
Everyone has drawn their swords and pounced on Islam and on every word I’ve said, abandoning any scientific or research-based inquiry into the value of what I wrote for you. Instead, you charged in with utter racism and intellectual and ideological aggression, simply because I am a Muslim?
Or because I am presenting to you Islamic knowledge or perspectives?
Everyone is repeating the same accusations that I will not even deign to answer; anyone searching on Google will find thousands of articles that respond to, dismantle, and refute all this intellectual nonsense, hatred, and racism.

But has anyone here actually tried what I wrote or looked at it with the eye of an expert? Not once.

Does anyone possess a single piece of information regarding the text I shared? Not a soul.
The strange thing is that this hatred for Islam stems from a bitter reality: the mere declaration by a Muslim that he worships One God seems to drive all pagans mad. Why? Simply because, in the Muslim's creed, it nullifies the alleged divinity of their own gods. So, has my belief altered yours?
To all you 'honorable' people, it is clear who is seeing the truth and, quite frankly, who is the racist and who is the aggressor.

It is strange how this is all part of a basic human nature built on the fact that following a religion makes you love its members while feeling a natural disbelief toward others. But let’s set aside all these philosophies and return to the mirror of reality:

Do you possess any actual knowledge? Do you have anything useful to offer? Is there a real scholar among you, or is this all just talk, wishes, delusional projections, and useless fantasies?

 

[Morell]

Well, have you noticed what I am noticing?
Everyone has drawn their swords and pounced on Islam and on every word I’ve said, abandoning any scientific or research-based inquiry into the value of what I wrote for you. Instead, you charged in with utter racism and intellectual and ideological aggression, simply because I am a Muslim?
Or because I am presenting to you Islamic knowledge or perspectives?
Everyone is repeating the same accusations that I will not even deign to answer; anyone searching on Google will find thousands of articles that respond to, dismantle, and refute all this intellectual nonsense, hatred, and racism.

But has anyone here actually tried what I wrote or looked at it with the eye of an expert? Not once.

Does anyone possess a single piece of information regarding the text I shared? Not a soul.
The strange thing is that this hatred for Islam stems from a bitter reality: the mere declaration by a Muslim that he worships One God seems to drive all pagans mad. Why? Simply because, in the Muslim's creed, it nullifies the alleged divinity of their own gods. So, has my belief altered yours?
To all you 'honorable' people, it is clear who is seeing the truth and, quite frankly, who is the racist and who is the aggressor.

It is strange how this is all part of a basic human nature built on the fact that following a religion makes you love its members while feeling a natural disbelief toward others. But let’s set aside all these philosophies and return to the mirror of reality:

Do you possess any actual knowledge? Do you have anything useful to offer? Is there a real scholar among you, or is this all just talk, wishes, delusional projections, and useless fantasies?

Don't like our opinions? Islam is not your baby and your god is all-mighty. If he were offended by us, he can step on us like flies. So trust him that ha can take care of himself and stop whining about our lack of fascination in Islam.

And if you can't get over it... there's the door.

 

[Adelina]

I think the main problem lies in inner enmity between different branches of Abrahamic teachings. Perhaps if this part of forum was divided into Christian/Muslim subsection, it would cause less trouble between people. It is like RHP/LHP subsections, so someone who doesn't like LHP simply doesn't visit that subsection and doesn't have to deal with LHP in his righteous RHP part of the forum.

I was always curious about Arabian Magic. However, while doing my research on it, I found that in its current form it is heavily tied to Quran. That is definitely not my cup of tea. But it cannot be argued that it has major place in current form of Arabian Magic.

As I wrote before, I see religion as highly degenerate form of leftovers from Supreme Science. But until that point in time when this Science becomes again more approachable, religion will keep on clouding the vision of sincere seekers of truth and will provoke them into more aggressive means of establishing their deeply flawed viewpoint on the subject. It is better to acknowledge such characteristic of religions and try to avoid all the painful collisions which might be caused by that. All of us are less or more on the same path - path of knowledge. Oftentimes such paths go through deep and dark woods of religion and its imposed monopoly on knowledge. Let's not fight over religions and feed the nasty sides of already nasty egregores.

 

[thepolestar]

But why should a part of the forum be divided into a Christian/Muslim section? That's ridiculous, nobody who isn't a fanatic will have a problem with paganism.

I grew up in a Christian household, left it for yoga and Franz Bardon, and have now reintegrated my heritage through exploring Christian mysticism and Jewish Kabbalah, and also keeping my pagan side. Most occultists from a Judeo-Christian background eventually find some compromise with their Abrahamic past even if they go full-fledged polytheist.

Christianity/Islam versus paganism is NOT an RHP versus LHP distinction. This just buys into Christian and Muslim lies about paganism: that it's about blood-drinking child killers who do human sacrifice.

Pagan traditions have their own robust RHP traditions - that's why historically, Plato wasn't a fan of the goes (practitioners of Goetia, which existed before Abrahamic tradition co-opted that word).

Hinduism has preserved this - it's why Brahmanical Hinduism won't even tolerate Christian demonology or Islamic jinn magic.

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No you got blown out for being ignorant. Nobody likes an idea man. Thats like saying "hear me out. What if we can take the mexican out of tacos because I really dont like mexicans".

Hello. I have actually kept you on Ignore since you invaded my thread with your bullshit, so I'm only seeing your post here now. Let's address your newest bullshit.

Islam is not Arabian culture. Arabian culture includes Judaism (murdered by Muslims), the Druze (murdered by Muslims), the Yezidi (murdered by Muslims), Christian (murdered by Muslims), and oh yeah, a robust Arabian Pagan tradition out of Petra that was also...you guessed it... murdered by Muslims.

Islam itself wouldn't even exist in its current form if it hadn't basically copied almost every single aspect of its structure from Judaism - and then twist everything it copied to support a fascist ideology. (Tell me when Jews have treated non-Jews like second class citizens?)

The people who are actually getting "blown out for being ignorant" are you and your fanatic buddy here, the OP.

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FYI: With this, I'm bowing out of this "debate", so I'm not going to reply to the OP or his allies. This is toxic and I have a New Year's ritual planned to remove all the toxicity of 2025 and bring in a 2026 that doesn't involve more of the same.

 

[Morell]

Islam is not Arabian culture. Arabian culture includes Judaism (murdered by Muslims), the Druze (murdered by Muslims), the Yezidi (murdered by Muslims), Christian (murdered by Muslims), and oh yeah, a robust Arabian Pagan tradition out of Petra that was also...you guessed it... murdered by Muslims.

Hate to agree. but this is true. Druze in Izrael were cool people, Christians were cool, Jews were cool some Muslims were also cool, (One joined us at dinner by my Jewish friends) but we all had to fear Muslims. Multiple people were murdered during the two weeks I spend in Izrael. (1 case hit local news, 16 years old muslim boy grabbed gun and started shooting at cars passing by him)

Not to mention that Christians during history were not innocent, nor were the Jews... So this is true, however it is far from being full truth.

Islam itself wouldn't even exist in its current form if it hadn't basically copied almost every single aspect of its structure from Judaism - and then twist everything it copied to support a fascist ideology. (Tell me when Jews have treated non-Jews like second class citizens?)

Hold the trolley. There were racist Jews in history, there are some today. Extremism is present in every religion and people. We should not deny that no one is perfect.

 

[thepolestar]

I'm just quoting what I said at the bottom of my previous post:

FYI: With this, I'm bowing out of this "debate", so I'm not going to reply to the OP or his allies. This is toxic and I have a New Year's ritual planned to remove all the toxicity of 2025 and bring in a 2026 that doesn't involve more of the same.

I know why I hold my opinions and how my opinions changed and evolved with research, especially after October 7th. But continuing the argument here just isn't worth it.

 

[techniquea2z]

This is the issue I find with practioners of Western Magic.

There's an overt disdain for opposing viewpoints and creeds/color. @Angelkesfarl is simply practicing his faith, and your solution is a form of "segregation", as if to say: "This drivel does not belong on our platform".

You fleece knowledge from the Middle East (Uruk) under the guise of Gold, Oil, and Drugs and False Flag Muslim attacks, when the elite in power of the larger esoteric societies orchestrate these wars to gain knowledge of antiquity that governs the laws of man. be it news, politics, religion.

 

[BBBB]

"@Yazata,

I am disappointed to see the discussion veer away from spirituality and into the territory of personal bias and political generalizations.

When I mention 'Allah,' I am not 'inserting a name'; I am speaking of the Source Code of the Science I practice. In a forum dedicated to 'Religion, Spirituality, and Meditation,' it is paradoxical to suggest that a practitioner should hide the name of the Divine to avoid 'preaching.' If a Buddhist mentions 'Nirvana' or a Hindu mentions 'Brahman' in every post, would you accuse them of the same? Or is this 'rule' applied selectively based on the specific Name I use?

As for your comments regarding 'Western fans' and your political views on my faith—I am not here to win a popularity contest or to seek 'fans.' I am here to share a Methodology of Truth. My faith is not a 'political identity'; it is the lens through which I perceive Reality.

Regarding @BBBB, he didn't just state a personal belief; he used aggressive language to question my character. I responded with a theological certainty that matches the depth of my practice.

I will continue to respect the rules of this forum as long as they are applied with Equanimity. I am here for the seekers of Truth, not for political debates. If the mention of the Divine is considered an offense in a religious sub-forum, then perhaps we need to redefine the very purpose of this space.

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@BBBB,

It is fascinating to see you attempt to reduce the Supreme Majesty to a mere exercise in basic semantics. However, your 'teacher of Arabic' seems to have missed the most fundamental lesson in the metaphysics of the language.

1. On the Name 'Allah': You claim that 'Allah' is a linguistic error of merging 'Al' and 'Ilah.' This is the elementary view of those who look at the skin and never touch the marrow. In the higher sciences of the Arabic tongue, Allah is the Ism al-Dhat (The Name of the Essence). It is a 'Non-Derivative' (Jamid) name; it does not come from 'Aliha' or 'Awala.' It is the word that precedes the grammar itself. To try to 'return' it to a root like 'A-W-L' is to try to fit the Ocean into a drinking straw. You are confusing the 'Concept of a God' (Ilah) with the Sovereign Reality that has no root because He is the Root of all roots.

2. On Science and Reason: You claim that believing in one Cause ends all science. This shows a profound lack of historical and philosophical depth. It was the very recognition of the Divine Algorithm (Al-Qadar) that drove the Golden Age of Science. We do not stop searching for the 'How' because we know the 'Who.' On the contrary, we study the 'How' to marvel at the 'Who.' Your claim that science is 'heresy' in Islam is a tired Orientalist myth that was debunked centuries ago.

3. On the Ethnic Bias: Your statement that this mindset 'fits Arabs perfectly' and is 'extremely conservative' reveals the true motivation behind your posts. You have moved from a spiritual debate to a display of blatant Ethnic Prejudice. To claim that a Universal Truth is restricted to one race is the height of the very 'blindness' you accuse me of. Spirituality is a frequency of the Soul, not a DNA marker.

4. The 'Kind Shepherds': You speak of reason while you hide behind the interpretations of an unnamed teacher. I invite people to Sovereignty—to wake up from the 'bot' state you mentioned. If you feel that 'submitting to the Source' is a political game, it is only because you have never tasted the freedom of being a Successor (Khalifa).

I am not playing games, @BBBB. I am stating the Law of Existence. You may continue to argue over syllables and roots, but while you analyze the word 'Water,' some of us are busy quenching our thirst at the Spring.

@MorganBlack, you see the difference here: One path seeks the 'Absolute' through the heart's alignment, while the other seeks to imprison the Infinite within the cages of political and racial bias.

I didn't want to get into the arguement, but I will answer now, also to your previous accusations of me personally attacking you. I don't know you personally, I merely reply to what you post here, and I begun as neutral and benigh as to any other supposedly human beings (your heavy use of AI made that difficult). Look at your own behaviour and ask yourself what could have caused reactions you don't like. This would be you demonstrating virtues of reason of which you often talk about and honesty. When instead you argue by pressing your own interpretations, I see it as forcing your desired truth on another. And since you do it all the time, I conclude that you don't seek mutual understanding. Then don't cry for "adults" when other "kids" resist and maybe rough you up a little.

Alas, I notice you yourself tend to use words and concepts as a bashing tool, as levers and smoke screens against others, not so much as to present your points.

On my teacher of arabic, he had uncovered the direct meaning of many terms of Islam that Islam scholars cannot for some reason, and done so in such a way that it doesn't require proofs or explanations, they are self obvious when pointed out. Btw, you have no problem relating to your teachers, so why should I be ashamet of mine? You have no problem stating you have thousands of manuscripts which you don't share, so...

Yes, in practice Arabs adopted many sciences, because it's the matter of survival, same with Christians who used to burn people for pursuing the truth or deviated from Church policy even slightly. Then Abas who conserved more than they destroyed (again, from the urge of consevatism) have brought a sort of scientific renaissanse to Europe which was previously a bit overzealous with eradicating all knowledge for the sake of believs. And for a short while Arabs became scientifically superior. But isn't it true that the most of their knowledge came from prior cultures?

The balance of utter devotion to scripture as means of population control and the need to have not all creativity suppressed, because it's needed to advance sciences and culture (or you will be outdone by your neighbours) dictates there must be science under Islam too, and other "compromises" made, like tolearting sufi orders. It's not so simple. And yet, the governing tendency for Arabs is conservatism. I don't think it's just bad press, but ask anyone in the world, they will probably put "Islamic" and "fundamentalis" together much more often than "Christian" or "Vedic" or "Pagan".

By the way, don't you treat Pagans like trash? Don't you say your people are superior to others? Maybe not saying it directly, but supremacy was seeping from your posts from the first one I saw, and probably long after I stopped reading them. It's not endearing, you know. And the last time I made a joke about you throwing people in the face that their Christmas is null and void, because God didn't have a Son - it's just hilarious. I'm not saying he did have a son, but that just showed how pig-faced you are. And now you practically start a faction against everyone, you already have one fanatic on your side. What's next? Torch the place? Cut pagan heads? Or you will bide your time whining for more preferences? Try to waste our time arguing instead of posting your advertised occult secrets? I've lost interest already.

You tend to talk a lot about science, but in fact resort to tradition (route memorisation and recall) rather than reasoning. You talk a lot about laws, but then you break them when it's convenient to you, like saying the name Allah overrides Arabic grammar. Be it known to you, that language precededs people, and you can't override grammar just because you believe in supreme being. You must study Arabic language to understand why it is such as it is, because it is the way by which God (Allah) creates and shapes you. I know it may sound far-fetched and very unusual to those uninitiated to hermetic science (and I mean real hermetic science), but you see, my "friend" - this is the difference between us. I am a true scientist, who isn't affraid to step out of the beaten track, no matter how deep the furrow is, if truth is outside of it. You only seek to drag others into your furrow and proceed in a cycle. There is an error in worship, so let the cycle be discontinued. Let reason illuminate the way for the faithfull, so they won't be blind anymore. Let them go on their own volition because of love, not fear or vanity, and free from false prophets.

So "some" people (not everyone!) had questions, very harsh ones (I wouldn't be so rude myself). If you are Muslim, you must take responsibility for those who gave your faith a bad image. If you don't want to, you are free to not respond, like I did for a while to your slander.
In my experience you were treated extermely favourably be the staff. Still you whine and play the victim at the first opportunity. And don't call it "personal attack". Anyone who behaves like that should be called personality-less, or spineless, or immature (personality underdeveloped). Sorry, I deal a lot with persons and tend to judge them quickly for how trustworthy they are, how reasonable, how virtuos (or not), how authentic, and I apply that to myself. Politically correct is not how I want to be. I want to be simply correct in my judgement, so I don't make mistakes. You have chosen the path of victim and hypocrite, let me return to you all the bullshit you talk about me and my motives. You are very wrong, in many ways, but since you don't want to discuss things, neither would I discuss things with you. I don't need your understanding, but you will behave.

In short, it seems to me you came here to conquer, to spread your spores, and you gave very little value. You use bits of your supposedly vast knowledge as bait, like an angler fish that attracts with the promise of light, but only has sharp teeth and a very ugly face up close.

Yes, you are a servant of Iblis, this is plain. And I have written the longest post on the least deserving subject. Don't bother to reply, @Angelkesfarl - you had a lot of opportunity to demonstrate virtues of your faith and you personally. You wasted all of them on petty squabbles. I didn't write all of this for you. You are unworthy. But you are a symptom.