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Will technology end humanity?

Eldros

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Though technology began to make our lives easier, it gets powerful every day. AI is capable of learning,and practically everything we do now involves technology.
But there are hazards related to all these advantages.
Will we always have control over what we make?
There is this guy giving interviews on various channels, and he says technology could finish us all...

 

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The AI Doom people have now become a death cult. Every story from these people is designed to make you believe that AI is some kind of self-determining entity. It is not. If AI destroys civilisation, it will because someone programmed it to, not because it "did it itself".
 

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The AI Doom people have now become a death cult. Every story from these people is designed to make you believe that AI is some kind of self-determining entity. It is not. If AI destroys civilisation, it will because someone programmed it to, not because it "did it itself".
I agree with part of what he’s saying. AI isn’t going to just wake up and destroy us. Humans are building it and deciding how it’s used.
But I think he’s looking at the problem too narrowly. / It’s not only about AI. Technology in general is becoming part of almost everything we do, and we’re becoming more dependent on systems we don’t really control.
Even something simple as money - if cash disappears and everything becomes digital, it’s convenient, sure. But then your money exxists inside systems controlled by banks, companies and technology. That creates completely different possibilities for control or hacking.
I’m not really worried about AI suddenly becoming something evil that decides our fate. But I do worry about how much control we might give up ourselves, just because technology makes life easier and we get used to relying on it...
 

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I think you should stop whatever you're doing and read "The Machine Stops" by E.M. Forster (yes, 'Passage to India') written in 1909.

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I will, thx for the recommendation :) But I’ve barely started Anathem by Neal Stephenson :) - I know you already know the book...
I’m only like 80 pages in out of almost 1000 haha. But I will!
 

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There is this guy giving interviews on various channels, and he says technology could finish us all...

Well, on the plus side, we won't have to worry about Covid 39, billions dying from climate change, alien invasion, a giant asteroid hitting Earth and all out nuclear war ...
 

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Not to belittle the boatload of problems and challenges that come along with the Aggregated Information explosion, but...
I'm warily skeptic about the whole doom thing. Since the first reports they leaked about an agent "going rogue" and infiltrating services (HuggingFace, curiously) a lot of these warnings and concerns also reek of an interest in controlling the narrative. While giving these models a kind of agency and entity they do not really have, as mentioned above.
I don't trust them. As in, Anthropic et al.
 

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There may be a compromise here. I don't think we should talk about AI as if it were a living thing that could just “go rogue.”
But that doesn't mean we couldn't eventually lose control over what we've made, because it doesn't think like we do.

It reminds me of Isaac Asimov. He didn't really need extraterrestrials or evil machines to explore these ideas. In many cases, his intelligent robots actually helped humans.
What's cool about it is that things could still go wrong simply because humans didn't fully understand what they'd created.
Feels pretty relevant today.
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This AI doomerism seems like another angle of this endless hype cycle the tech industries are using to keep their stock prices afloat. If technology ends human life it'll be from us offloading our responsibilities onto automated processes. It'll be a proverbial species suicide and not because some autonomous machine decides to play skynet.
 

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I found this article which seems to describe it pretty well:

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Interesting article..
Back when I used to read Asimov, I always liked how he would take those
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and turn them into completely different stories. The rules were simple, but things got interesting pretty quickly when he started asking, “Yeah, but what if…?”

Same with AI today.
Maybe AI needs its own version of Asimov’s laws - a few simple principles around things like not harming people, respecting human control, being honest, and serving humanity.
Coming up with the rules is the easy part. The difficulty starts when two of them tell you to do different things.
 

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To quote a famous adage: Guns don't kill people, people kill people. The technology would be immaterial - the act would be humans killing humanity. Might be biological warfare, or nukes, or poisoning the skies and planet, or a cult. Doesn't matter, it's still humans doing the job.
 

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To quote a famous adage: Guns don't kill people, people kill people. The technology would be immaterial - the act would be humans killing humanity. Might be biological warfare, or nukes, or poisoning the skies and planet, or a cult. Doesn't matter, it's still humans doing the job.
Indeed people are behind these things. But I wouldn’t say technology is completely irrelevant.
Problem is -that we keep making things that are more powerful, and we don’t always know what the consequences will be.
Maybe believing that we are able to control technology creates a bigger risk than technology itself...
Also, here’s Arthur C. Clarke predicting some things... ages ago :)
 

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Just between you and me I dont trust Aİ because Aİ can be hacked in human craftmanship
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Aİ can advantages but in the future Aİ can be dangerous
 

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Though technology began to make our lives easier, it gets powerful every day. AI is capable of learning,and practically everything we do now involves technology.
But there are hazards related to all these advantages.
Will we always have control over what we make?
There is this guy giving interviews on various channels, and he says technology could finish us all...

People who are pro gun will often say guns do not kill people, people kill people. In this same way AI is a powerful weapon with the capacity to adapt. We will have control over what we make in the same way we choose to pull a trigger. We can always stop fueling power to data centers. for now at least
 

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Though technology began to make our lives easier, it gets powerful every day. AI is capable of learning,and practically everything we do now involves technology.
But there are hazards related to all these advantages.
Will we always have control over what we make?
There is this guy giving interviews on various channels, and he says technology could finish us all...
Yet another incarnation of the same, old, boring "hUmAnS eXtInCt ThEmSeLvEs" trope. I cordially despise how slimy morals all those narratives seem imply. The whole conversation is tediously derivative and completely unproductive. There is no "we" to control anything, and it's not some wild force of nature to finish us off by itself - even if it could, there's very little actual, practical power that it could have beyond what is already in hands of some humans. It's just a tool, ultimately.
 

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Though technology began to make our lives easier, it gets powerful every day. AI is capable of learning,and practically everything we do now involves technology.
But there are hazards related to all these advantages.
Will we always have control over what we make?
There is this guy giving interviews on various channels, and he says technology could finish us all...


It's less likely that technology will end humanity. Rather, humans will end themselves by their own stupidity for making things that are out of their control.

In the case of AI, it is stupidity showcased at its best. I will say this plain and simple: if one looks at how those networks are called, they are called neural networks. What does the word neural make you think of... the brain itself. How much do scientists and people with their heads in studies know about the brain today? Except for mapping the physical structure and chemistry in incredible detail, among other things like some Brain Eras and Milestones studied across the Human Connectome Project, to this day, it still remains a lot of mystery how the brain forms the human mind, the concept of consciousness, the mechanics of memory, the neural code, and even curing neurodegenerative diseases such as Alzheimer's, ALS or Huntington's Disease.

So, imagine basing your network concept over something you do not fully grasp.

The problem is not technology itself, but rather how it is used. Back in the 90s, there were PCs running on systems most of Gen Z people would not know about (I am talking Windows 95, Memphis Builds and so on and so forth) and even then, technology was used in good cases such as communication between people abroad, Microsoft Offfice - 97 software for secretary and other office activities that involved documents, but on the flip side, people used technology to make viruses like the Anna Kournikova, ILOVEYOU email worms, or the other viruses like Code Red.

As for AI exterminating us, here is one thing to lift the spirits up a bit: I once played a crosswords game (offline, on paper with a pencil like a boss) and frankly I didn't know what to say about the meaning of "The Chief of America", and it contained 4 letters. I asked the AI for fun what would that be and he said Biden. Now, if Biden has 4 letters well... give me the sleeping pill and let me wake up fresh on another day :LOL: .

I don't think the AI will exterminate us, but it is important to remain vigilant on what the changes are in this domain and how we can protect our mind, and souls if shit ever hits the fan. Staying away from YT shorts content for example is one of the ways that can get you in a safe protection of your mind and also reading books made by humans (applies to both occult and non-occult books alike) instead of those who can easily be spotted as AI written (the images that have the specific chromatic, the text with no value and short as hell, the content that is overall boring and feels like lacking soul and substance and watching the paint dry).
 

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It won't end humanity but it is already making people very very stupid we see school kids who grew up on devices unable to understand their own mother tongue, unable to follow simple instructions, don't even know large part of the vocabulary long list. My professor friends tell me how stupid students are they can't do assignments properly so you can imagine the state of school teachers teaching GenAlpha now.

With people losing jobs it becomes difficult to survive there will be chaos everywhere and then all the marxist paedo billionaries will force governments to implement military rule and live like dictators their cherished dream.

I'm allergic to AI that is keeping me from getting stupider in a way.
 

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AI is basically a red herring.

It doesn't do much that is actually valuable. In terms of economic value, studies continue to find that it rarely makes companies more profitable. The reason that we are hearing so much about it is mostly just because of hype, which is a side-effect of the AI-bubble, which is in turn a very conventional economic phenomenon resulting from low interest rates intended to juice an economy which does not have many avenues of genuine growth for investment money to be directed toward. In other words, the economy is stagnant (largely for reasons having to do with resource depletion) so the government keeps interest low, but since there is little valuable work for that additional money to do, it just goes into creates bubbles. AI just happens to be the latest bubble.

Consumer prices for AI are currently being kept artificially low by the bubble (ie the investment/market capture phase that the technology is currently in). Once the bubble passes, the price that consumers need to pay for AI usage will go up dramatically, leading to a similar dramatic decrease in usage (because, again, it is not actually that useful).

The other big thing about AI is its surveillance value, but in the end I doubt that in itself will be much of a game changer either.

The actual existential and civilization-wrecking threats that we are facing are the ecological crisis and the resource depletion crisis. Anything that takes our eyes off of those balls is an epi-phenomenal distraction.
 
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