Windows 11... oh no...

[zamradiel]

I use Windows 11 (without a Microsoft account... local login only), macOS, and Linux (mostly Debian and Ubuntu). WSL2 has been excellent for running Linux under Windows 11, so I end up doing most of my code testing there.

 

[Swampdweller900]

I'm now thinking about dual boot solution, using USB flash drive as hard disc for Linux, so I can keep Windows... I don't want to loose Adobe stuff...

You can do a dual boot with Windows and a Linux distro on the same machine. If you go to do a Mint install, it's one of the setup options. I did that for about a year or so. It performs a lot better than a live install on USB with persistance, and I'm not sure if every distribution has that as a viable option.

The one caveat with a dual boot are that Windows actively goes around in your UEFI and will occasionally make changes during updates that break dual boots for anything that isn't a MS product. Intentionally. And then not care at all that they've screwed tons of people. I had about 3 weeks where I couldn't jump back over if I wanted to (didn't need or want to) while MS slowly unscrewed some update of theirs. That was the last nail and I ditched Windows all together soon after.

 

[MinaAnd23as]

my only hope is that when win10 support runs out my laptop doesn't wind up bricked. i know that hasn't been an issue with previous versions, but i have this sick feeling in my gut that they're going to try some stupid sh to force an update.
damn to the depths whatever man that thought up planned obsolescence.

 

[dikya]

Where do I find more information about this? I am not good in computer things, so for me everything is like Chinese language.

Just Google ReviOS or AtlasOS. I am not computer savvy, I just followed the guide how to install Win 11 and AtlasOS. Their website has documentation page which covers everything you need to know, from understanding how ReviOS or AtlasOS works to installing it, troubleshooting common problems. This guide will walk you through every step. You can also search on Youtube tutorials in installing ReviOS or AtlasOS.

 

[AlfrunGrima]

Thank you! Now I understand that AtlasOS is a program.

 

[zagan]

You can do a dual boot with Windows and a Linux distro on the same machine. If you go to do a Mint install, it's one of the setup options. I did that for about a year or so. It performs a lot better than a live install on USB with persistance, and I'm not sure if every distribution has that as a viable option.

The one caveat with a dual boot are that Windows actively goes around in your UEFI and will occasionally make changes during updates that break dual boots for anything that isn't a MS product. Intentionally. And then not care at all that they've screwed tons of people. I had about 3 weeks where I couldn't jump back over if I wanted to (didn't need or want to) while MS slowly unscrewed some update of theirs. That was the last nail and I ditched Windows all together soon after.

Just as easy to create a virtual machine and load windows when needed.
updating the hosts file to block a good chunk of the telemetry can help as well.

 

[Morell]

Just as easy to create a virtual machine and load windows when needed.
updating the hosts file to block a good chunk of the telemetry can help as well.

That works, I already have virtual with Win XP, though it's use mostly expired with the finishing the project I needed it for, it' damn refreshing using much simpler and tame Windows than the newest one. But I recommend thinking this through, Virtual machine demands real resources. You are literally splitting your hardware capability between two systems, even though one is submitted to the control of other, once the resources are reserved for it, they are unavailable for the other.

So if you have 16GB RAM and you give 8GB to the virtual machine, Both will be having only 8GB available when Virtual is running. In some cases this can be quite a problem. I was giving Win XP 4GB to run, which was very good for running it. But newer windows can be demanding on itself, let alone with some programs that demands a lot of memory, like video editors, graphic programs, even virtual printer can overuse your RAM.

So for virtual machine you ether have machine strong enough, or you can work on only one of the system at a time. Not always a case...

 

[zagan]

I'm now thinking about dual boot solution, using USB flash drive as hard disc for Linux, so I can keep Windows... I don't want to loose Adobe stuff...

Unless your computer has limited resources i dont see a practical need to dual boot, installing virual machine software and loading up is pretty straightforward. the option to run windows as needed mixed with scripts to block or remove a number of privacy is easier to manage.

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That works, I already have virtual with Win XP, though it's use mostly expired with the finishing the project I needed it for, it' damn refreshing using much simpler and tame Windows than the newest one. But I recommend thinking this through, Virtual machine demands real resources. You are literally splitting your hardware capability between two systems, even though one is submitted to the control of other, once the resources are reserved for it, they are unavailable for the other.

So if you have 16GB RAM and you give 8GB to the virtual machine, Both will be having only 8GB available when Virtual is running. In some cases this can be quite a problem. I was giving Win XP 4GB to run, which was very good for running it. But newer windows can be demanding on itself, let alone with some programs that demands a lot of memory, like video editors, graphic programs, even virtual printer can overuse your RAM.

So for virtual machine you ether have machine strong enough, or you can work on only one of the system at a time. Not always a case...

it really depends on the base system and how you're using them.
16gb isnt that limited, you could easily create a windows vm running on linux and assign the vm 14gb and be fine, provided you're focused on working the vm mostly. and just be sure to leave space in the vm for windows to use a swap/page file, this is the way windows has handled working with limited memory size for decades.

 

[Morell]

Unless your computer has limited resources i dont see a practical need to dual boot, installing virual machine software and loading up is pretty straightforward. the option to run windows as needed mixed with scripts to block or remove a number of privacy is easier to manage.

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it really depends on the base system and how you're using them.
16gb isnt that limited, you could easily create a windows vm running on linux and assign the vm 14gb and be fine, provided you're focused on working the vm mostly. and just be sure to leave space in the vm for windows to use a swap/page file, this is the way windows has handled working with limited memory size for decades.

vm goes here for virtual machine or virtual memory?

Maybe I'm overthinking your post.

 

[zagan]

vm goes here for virtual machine or virtual memory?

Maybe I'm overthinking your post.

im referring to the virtual machine - whatever OS image you choose to load up.
the 16gb and 14gb was in reference to the system memory. and swap / page file is dedicating a section of the hard drive to let windows store things to free up memory.
Im not sure the type of workflow, if its graphics heavy and you're maxing your systems installed memory or not with 16gb.
You could check your memory usage and get an idea how much of your systems memory you're using, then base your decision to dual boot vs running a virutal machine.

 

[Ziran]

All the telemetry and other bloatware from Windows

I've been using "Raphire Debloat" with no problems for corporate desktops. It removes all the extra crud, including the Edge browser if desired.

It's open source, on githib, and it works. You're welcome.

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Either they wake up FAST or I go Linux...

In case it hasn't been mentioned, you can try Linux without installing it, or making any changes to your PC. Just choose that option when booting from the install-USB.