[Opinion] your take?

[tonyzard]

for those informed about varying occult practices including the law of assumption (neville goddard, seth by jane roberts) how do you compartmentalise this can these practices co exist or could you reduce all other practices to placebo given that belief is the just the precursor to everything?

 

[Robert Ramsay]

I'm not familiar with the law of assumption, but I consider magical systems to be the map that you use to explore the territory. Confusion arises because people can end up thinking that the map is the territory, because no-one really understands the territory itself, only the maps.

 

[Nemastekh]

These practices work regardless of your belief in them. What is known as the Law of Assumption, or Law of Attraction, is just one of the many universal laws. It states that the experiences of someone are a direct consequence of their beliefs and thoughts, because these are energy, and that energy seeks what is like it and brings it into manifestation. Thoughts, words and actions work together to attract, and thus create, your life. When these three are in harmony (pointed towards the same goal), the process is faster and easier. The Placebo Effect, as science knows it, is a consequence of the Law of Assumption (you belief that a substance is good for you, and thus it is).

 

[HoldAll]

Oh man, I really hate those non-descript thread titles.

"What do you think?"
"Wow!"
"Did you know"
"How cool!"
etc.
Grounds for insta-ban if I had my way.

 

[Firetree]

My new requirement ; before I give one the 'value of my advice' I at least require them to be able to string a simple sentence together in English . . . and especially when English is their first language !

 

[The Wizard Tim]

These practices work regardless of your belief in them. What is known as the Law of Assumption, or Law of Attraction, is just one of the many universal laws. It states that the experiences of someone are a direct consequence of their beliefs and thoughts, because these are energy, and that energy seeks what is like it and brings it into manifestation. Thoughts, words and actions work together to attract, and thus create, your life. When these three are in harmony (pointed towards the same goal), the process is faster and easier. The Placebo Effect, as science knows it, is a consequence of the Law of Assumption (you belief that a substance is good for you, and thus it is).

Hello Nemastekh,
You have written that "these practices work regardless of your belief in them." While your thread is titled "Your Take?"
This is very confusing as you have asked for other peoples opinions while responding in a way that demonstrates that your mind is already made up and that you will not be swayed by anyone elses input.
My take is that the Law of Assumption which according to Elise McDowell states that "what you assume to be ture is true or will become true"
Is that operating out of assumption is a less powerful means of operating than when one takes actually takes responsibility. The Grey School of Wizardry teaches three different rules of wizardry. The first rule - "A wizard takes responsiblity and credit for their actions and deeds" provides a much more powerful means of operating in reality than leaving things up to an assumption. If for instance I choose to conduct a magickal working within the Resonance model of magick I could conduct a working on a particular day, during a particular hour that a particular planet holds power over, and use associated reagents that correspond to the particular magickal outcome I am looking for, I could also invoke angelic beings that have dominion over the desired outcome, as well as incorporating aspects of the psychological model of magick as well. Adding in the Psychological model of magick gives my mind more control over the desired outcome, as we have all heard the addage - mind over matter... This is all my responsibility, this furthers my agency within my worldview...
I recommend others practice it similarly, as leaving something up to an assumption, well there's an addage for that...
I look forward to your response!
-Tim

 

[Nembra]

I'm informed, doesn't mean I'm practicing it. A confusing framework, I found it rather draining. Most effective practices use belief to motivate, inform and empower action while this one frankly seems to inhibit it.

 

[Tryp]

Hello Nemastekh,
You have written that "these practices work regardless of your belief in them." While your thread is titled "Your Take?"
This is very confusing as you have asked for other peoples opinions while responding in a way that demonstrates that your mind is already made up and that you will not be swayed by anyone elses input.

Just in case you want to rephrase your reply - Nemastekh is not the user who started the thread.

 

[The Wizard Tim]

Just in case you want to rephrase your reply - Nemastekh is not the user who started the thread.

Yikes! My bad. I do want to rephrase. Thank you for the correction.