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Zen state - what is it for?

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Was reading lately book about Budo, and I got to the topic of zen, the state of non thinking when you observe yourself as you do stuff. With all irony I realised that I know this state well. I used to play Mortal Combat like game, named Injustice (DC game, really good story) and while fighting, (playing) I was getting into this state a lot. I was just observing as I played, my body reacting faster than my observing conscious mind that was just slightly advising on the play like an advising spectator.

I can see that it is interesting state of mind, but what are the bigger reasons for it? What is the reason for it to be praised in any way? I just don't see any bigger value in it.
 

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As far as I see it, this is a mind-state where you are able to be conscious without interfering with your subconscious - a useful 'ground state' for inhibitory gnosis. So a good state to get into for programming intent - although you may not want to be programming video games into your subconscious :D
 

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As far as I see it, this is a mind-state where you are able to be conscious without interfering with your subconscious - a useful 'ground state' for inhibitory gnosis. So a good state to get into for programming intent - although you may not want to be programming video games into your subconscious :D
Too late for that. :ROFLMAO: Videogames are one of my hobbies and I draw some great occult inspiration there as well.

The programing, if it is limited to what I am currently doing doesn't seem much useful in broader sense, though.
 

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Too late for that. :ROFLMAO: Videogames are one of my hobbies and I draw some great occult inspiration there as well.
When life gives you video games - make videogame-ade 😁
The programing, if it is limited to what I am currently doing doesn't seem much useful in broader sense, though.
I would say it is more like the chaos magic technique, except that instead of excitory, it's inhibitory. So you would have the sigil or whatever in view whilst you were gaming 'in the zone' and dispose of it after you 'come out'. It might be longer lasting than the normal method.

I'm just spitballing here, but I think it could be a very useful gnosis technique.
 

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I would say it is more like the chaos magic technique, except that instead of excitory, it's inhibitory. So you would have the sigil or whatever in view whilst you were gaming 'in the zone' and dispose of it after you 'come out'. It might be longer lasting than the normal method.
Noted. This could be actually interesting stuff to try!
 

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I already wrote about karate and Zen in my forum journal. I have to add that I didn't arrive at this Zen state through meditation but by martial arts practice; you somehow acquire it over time as a byproduct via general karate spirit. It's the physical movements themselves that will be teaching you, and I don't think it's possible to translate a Zen state of serenity directly from the meditation pillow to the competition mat - you have to get used to the pressure of sparring or tournaments first. Remaining calm is easy when you're quietly sitting in the comfort of your home with few distractions but much more difficult when you're moving about, attacking or defending. I've found is that once you've learned to deal with physical stress, you'll also be able cope with real-life stress better, such as in the workplace. However, I'm a rather high-strung person by inclination and don't think that martial arts practice has calmed me down much overall. It has other psychological benefits but I guess for genuine peace of mind, I'd have to spend more time on my pillow.

This mental combat zone is effortless concentration not easily broken by an opponent's feints and theatrics. Any posturing as a tranquil Zen master or fearless movie hero will immediately crumble after first contact though, and any forced calm will be ruthlessly dispelled. I always say fighting is like a truth drug, it will brings out your true personality and cut straight through any fakery. Either you have it or you have it not but it's no use pretending.

As you mentioned, conscious thoughts only get in the way, and so do ego-centered feelings. Feeling triumphant one moment and dejected in the other, hoping fervently for victory, being afraid of losing, etc. will just wear you out. The best tournament fighters I've seen possess this stone-cold impersonal fury, like it wasn't about themselves at all. It's a bit like subtracting yourself (= your self) from the equation; I guess dissociation may also be involved here like you've mentioned in your post but it somehown doesn't feel like that. The best fighting moves will always arrive unplanned, out of the blue, like that punch or kick just had to go there, don't ask me why.

What I've learned from formal empty-mind meditation is that most of what goes through our heads during the day are repeats and reruns and can even interfere with your real-life experience, e.g. making you forget items when grocery shopping because you were still thinking about yesterday's party, that sort of think. Switching off your brain at will is a valuable faculty to have, in my opinion.
 
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