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Seeking Recommendation Books about Attitude adjustment in spirit interaction

Seeking recommendations for books.

niceimpact

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Would really love to find books about this or some way to find the correct attitude in interacting with spirits in general and make a good foundation in that. I already believe in always being respectful and always having curiosity and love for the interaction with any of them. I want to learn more, like keeping my ego in place. I know you would say experience would be the best teacher in this but having a book about it on the way like a guidebook is what I'm looking for.

I have Consorting with Spirits by Jason Miller ready to read. Would that be a good enough start?
 

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Consorting with Spirits is solid starting point. It'll get you started enough to begin getting the experience you're talking about. What specific kind of spirit work are you currently pursuing?
 

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I might be wrong but I'm not sure there is cross-sectionaly literature on that topic. I heard Consorting with Spirits to be decent (can't vouch for it though), but the thing is: occult books are usually written within a given tradition of understanding, so about specific kinds of interactions with specific kinds of spirits, even if this fact is not disclosed or acknowledged by the authors.

I would generally advise to cultivate an open mind, which in this case means acutely critical and discerning. In many cases respect and love is not what you need and pursuing it pedantically will get you in trouble. There are for example many spirits that would be insulted by the slightest implication of servility, as well as ones that will unceremoniously abuse your politeness.
 

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I might be wrong but I'm not sure there is cross-sectionaly literature on that topic. I heard Consorting with Spirits to be decent (can't vouch for it though), but the thing is: occult books are usually written within a given tradition of understanding, so about specific kinds of interactions with specific kinds of spirits, even if this fact is not disclosed or acknowledged by the authors.

I would generally advise to cultivate an open mind, which in this case means acutely critical and discerning. In many cases respect and love is not what you need and pursuing it pedantically will get you in trouble. There are for example many spirits that would be insulted by the slightest implication of servility, as well as ones that will unceremoniously abuse your politeness.
i agree
 

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Utilize your real world people skills here. If you were to ask a stranger on a street for a favor, how would you proceed? You would probably be polite, and cut to the chase. You probably wouldn't beg and plead. You definitely wouldn't be rude or demanding.

If you were in turn asking a friend or loved one for a favor.. you would probably be gracious and thankful. How your interactions work depend on how established they are.
 

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There isn't a one-size-fits-all solution here, and the answer is honestly that "it depends". As a baseline for most known spirits, an attitude of respect is the baseline. However, respect can range from "respectful authoritative" to worship and devotion. It is this spectrum which requires you to do further research on the spirits that you are dealing with.

An example where "respect" is flexible is seen with the demons from the grimoires. The attitude can be downright commanding and coercive as seen in the usual Solomonic magical approaches. In other cases, the attitude can be more as authoritative, yet respectful as seen in the GV. Then you have traditions such as demonolatry which is basically worship of demons and includes a heavy amount of devotional work. And in all of these cases, the magick works with the spirits. There is a lot of debate as to which approach is more effective, but I have heard of results being accomplished with all these examples.

Another example is the Lwa / Loa. I don't know a ton about the ATRs in general, but from the legit sources that I can read, the Lwa require a respectful attitude that is much closer to devotion and worship. One could say communion is the correct word to use here. But generally, the impression is that you would not want to try and command / coerce these spirits otherwise bad shit could happen very quickly. I would even argue that treating them as equals wouldn't get you very far.

So the long answer is that it depends. You need to do research into the traditions and literature surrounding the spirits. There is a reason that history and culture are so important when trying to approach a spirit and often these clues are key on the attitude that is needed. But often the attitudes tend to converge on being respectful and polite to the spirit (though not necessarily supplicating). You would find the attitude that Jason Miller has is a good one to cultivate for a general rule of thumb, but specific research is always needed.

Note, there is an exception in this baseline. There are certain spirits that are regarded as being quite close to "objectively" malicious and harmful. Spirits such as Enochian Cacodemons, trickster spirits, and parasites all fit into this equation and therefore a forceful commanding approach cna be used with them. But in general, among the named spirits we can work with, respect will go a long way combined with targeted research.
 
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