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Are entities manifestation of the human mind?

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Please write exclusively in English here, it's the Forum Rules. Come on, you've made several great posts in excellent English already!
Please tell me, the forum from my laptop does not work at all. I'm refining the text in the translator to make it easier for people to read, but perhaps due to the unstable operation of the site, it still highlighted my Russian text, because I also turn on the automatic translator on the forum. Are there any problems with the forum? Or is it a problem because I'm in Russia?The sanctions have reached your forum as well
 

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Please tell me, the forum from my laptop does not work at all. I'm refining the text in the translator to make it easier for people to read, but perhaps due to the unstable operation of the site, it still highlighted my Russian text, because I also turn on the automatic translator on the forum. Are there any problems with the forum? Or is it a problem because I'm in Russia?The sanctions have reached your forum as well

Not that I know of. There was our web host’s planned maintenance yesterday which slowed down the forum considerably for a few hours but today it's running fine for me.

However, always remember that you have only five minutes to edit your post so always make sure it's in English, any corrections will be impossible after that.
 

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Работайте с христианским эгрегором, и о да, если он взял вас под свое крыло, вы непременно станете могущественным. Вопрос в том, сколько он будет брать за свои услуги?) В наших церквях милые бабушки, которые снаружи выглядят как добрые феи, творят в церкви очень черную магию. Поэтому, конечно, вы тоже можете почувствовать такую сильную связь с христианским эгрегором и использовать его в разных направлениях. Про автора Некрасова, он не очень популярен среди практиков. Он психолог и теоретик. Его книги не пользуются популярностью у людей, которые серьезно занимаются. От себя лично хочу добавить, что если вы так круто принимаете церковный эгрегор, не стесняйтесь пользоваться его услугами, но никогда не забывайте платить, чтобы сам не брал оплату, он возьмет как правило то, что дорого вашему сердцу.
I copy pasted it all in the google translate. I can spell out the words but kind of difficult to understand the language.

Yes the sweet grandmothers do some really weird stuff in the churches, surprisingly weird acts. Possibly my own great grandmother did something like that too (maybe not too strange acts), all I know is that she was a devout practitioner. I have read about them absolutely destroying people with the magic there. Some of it was in some podcasts, videos, and some forums which I read with the google translate. It's very interesting because it can indeed be used to accomplish strangest of the strangest, strange goals can be achieved with it.:unsure: Some of the goals which I achieved made me question what on earth goes on. Looks like an universal tool.

The Nekrasov books are good as an introduction, at least some of them are somewhat interesting. I read them many years ago when I wanted to study as much as possible about everything. Somebody gave me a few of them to me. They have been translated into other languages too. Now they do feel like lightweight, maybe a few interesting quotes in there.
 

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In many cases, yes. Larvaes, elementals.... Need a direction to be active and that's when they meet a good source of energy they become operative.

Famous ghosts in haunted places are fed by people believe in them. Even after purification, those spirits remain cause they are the products of people believe and focus.

It's even fair to say that most spirits are the fruits of humain mind (with other principales) but the spirits who manage to deal with us, having conversations etc got programmed directly or indirectly by us.
Elementals are not human creation but the archetype of Satan is, just to compare the entity range for a bit.
Elementals are embodiments of various aspects of a greater consciousness entity in this case Gaia, Gaea, mother Earth or whatever you want to name it which uses the plasticity of its consciousness to allow specific energies to take form for a while.
 

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Hi, I am a newcomer in this, but I want to ask a fundamental question : what can be said on the relation between mind, consciousness, reality (as we know and live in it), and the Divine ? Any thought is wellcome. Thank you all.
 

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Hi, I am a newcomer in this, but I want to ask a fundamental question : what can be said on the relation between mind, consciousness, reality (as we know and live in it), and the Divine ? Any thought is wellcome. Thank you all.
Which of these are not part of the Divine?
 

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Hi, I am a newcomer in this, but I want to ask a fundamental question : what can be said on the relation between mind, consciousness, reality (as we know and live in it), and the Divine ? Any thought is wellcome. Thank you all.
Hi, there may be much more to say about this fundamental question, but just to quickly think about it...

The relationship between mind, consciousness, reality, and the Divine can be illustrated as follows:
  • Existence Is: The first truth is that existence exists.
  • Consciousness Arises: Awareness of existence gives rise to consciousness.
  • Mind Engages: Thinking and reflection emerge from consciousness, forming the mind.
  • Reality Is Perceived: The mind interprets and shapes our experience of reality.
  • The Divine Is the Source: The Divine can be seen as the fundamental ground from which existence, consciousness, and reality arise, manifesting through different layers—subconscious, self-conscious, and superconscious awareness. The Tarot illustrates this brilliantly.
Existence provides the canvas, consciousness is the awareness of that canvas, the mind paints subjective reality on it, and the Divine is the ultimate artist behind the scenes.
 

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RE: Are entities manifestation of the human mind?


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Aleister Crowley has, in some cases, been very Zen-like. this interpretation is very much like the Physics dilemma - the Question of whether it is → a particle - or - a wave. This is just hedging the bet.

As is the whole Wave/Particle duality compromise. It does occur to me that a Wave requires a medium to propogate in - the reason that 'in Space no-one can hear you scream' is because it is supposedly a vacuum and as sound is a wave it cannot propogate, so if Photons are indeed a duality then the Ether must also exist, or something akin to it anyway.
But I'm drifting off-topic.
Wasn't the original question to do with the reality (or otherwise) of various entities? I wish I could recall the person who wrote this, but I am minded of the statement 'everything is in your head - you just have no idea how big your head is'.
No 2 people see 'reality' in the same way. How this is interpreted is as unique to you as your own fingerprint is and the materialists would have us believe that what we think of as consciousness is an illusion, just as the cosmologists try to claim there is no real Solar Surface and that too is an illusion.
 

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Hi, there may be much more to say about this fundamental question, but just to quickly think about it...

The relationship between mind, consciousness, reality, and the Divine can be illustrated as follows:
  • Existence Is: The first truth is that existence exists.
  • Consciousness Arises: Awareness of existence gives rise to consciousness.
  • Mind Engages: Thinking and reflection emerge from consciousness, forming the mind.
  • Reality Is Perceived: The mind interprets and shapes our experience of reality.
  • The Divine Is the Source: The Divine can be seen as the fundamental ground from which existence, consciousness, and reality arise, manifesting through different layers—subconscious, self-conscious, and superconscious awareness. The Tarot illustrates this brilliantly.
Existence provides the canvas, consciousness is the awareness of that canvas, the mind paints subjective reality on it, and the Divine is the ultimate artist behind the scenes.
Can you expand on what you mean by "superconscious?"
 

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Can you expand on what you mean by "superconscious?"
The Superconscious is the level of awareness through which the human mind directly communes with the Divine. It’s the source of spiritual insight, illumination, and true wisdom.

In the Tarot, this relationship is illustrated symbolically: the Superconscious is represented by the central angelic type figures, balancing and harmonizing the subconscious (the feminine, intuitive principle) and the self-conscious (the masculine, rational principle). As a whole, they create a dynamic unity where spiritual understanding flows into conscious experience.
 

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RE: Are entities manifestation of the human mind?
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Within the various splinter groups of the "Occult," the term "egregore" is most often used to express or imply the concept of a "collective conscious(ness)." It isn't easy to find a uniform or generally accepted definition because it is almost always described in every nebulas ways. I have yet to see any evidence of a situation in which there is a detectable system of interlocking telemetry between minds (however "mind" is defined). The "Cognitive Revolution" (a term I borrowed from Professors Ervin Laszlow, Jean Houston, and Larry Dossey) began to accept many of the notions presented by Quantum Mechanics (QM) and Quantum Field Theory (QFT).

It is important to remember that the theory on the existence of a "Collective Consciousness" has little validity unless there is a means by which it can be accomplished. And as it happens - there are Cellular Foundations of Consciousness.


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I often stay in the background, limited in my observations and contributions, but I do appreciate the commentary on personal experiences.


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I have a Doctorate in Metaphysics, and admit that I have often in the past come in conflict at the demarcation between objective science - and - the crafted faith-based systems used to describe the natural laws of the universe. In this regard, I find myself leaning on the Stavich Perspective.

For those interested in the academic study of esotericism, the concept of
egregores may simply be seen as a quaint relic of an earlier time, a holdover
from our ancient past and therefore of little practical consequence. For those
on the spiritual path, any spiritual path, being introduced to the concept of
egregores is often a life-changing encounter.

Mark Stavish
A respected authority on Western spiritual traditions.


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Aleister Crowley has, in some cases, been very Zen-like. this interpretation is very much like the Physics dilemma - the Question of whether it is → a particle - or - a wave. This is just hedging the bet.


• What is consciousness? © 2016 by Ervin Laszlow, Jean Houston, and Larry Dossey, published by SelectBooks, Inc. New York, New York.
• The Sentient Cell (The Cellular Foundations of Consciousness) by Arthur S. Reber, František Baluška, William B. Miller Jr. © 2023 Oxford University Press 8 Madison Avenue, New York, NY 10016
• Egregores - by Mark Stavish © Inner Traditions, Rochester Vermont


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So i have no form of academic credentials, but i am a philosophical thinker. I hope this is of value to you.

I would say with both collective consciousness and individual consciousness that you cannot have solid evidence for either depending on the philosophy which you are grounded on. Let me explain how I am viewing these 2 things with. After this i will introduce another perspective to follow which more or less is in line with yours. After that i will state my current perspective.

1st perspective: From the sole point of view of one person (lets just say me for example for this model im illustrating) there is no way to determine wether or not his entire existence is completely an illusion, and that he is the only conscious thing in existence. Under this perspective there is no way to know if there is individual consciousness or collective consciousness.

2nd perspective: From the sole point of view of one person accepting that other persons like him exist, without a doubt individual consciousness exists.

Now i will present my viewpoint currently about collective consciousness. First it is important to understand how i personally look at consciousness itself. I like to split the world we live in into 2 parts which are the subjective awareness and the objective reality. I put both of these parts under the umbrella of consciousness itself which implies that there is only 1 conscious mind i.e. the collective consciousness.

Under this framework i created it implies that the awareness relies on the reality to exist and vis versa as well. From my point of view looking at this current dualistic reality you and I live in, i see that our thoughts are without a doubt a byproduct of this objective reality. To me i see this as the evidence of the connection between what we percieve now as individual minds — that is if we pair my current perspective with the "2nd perspective" model i illustrated above. We all live in this same reality, this reality is what connects us.

I would like to hear your thoughts on my viewpoint and welcome as much criticism as possible if you disagree. Thank you for your comment about egregores.
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So i have no form of academic credentials, but i am a philosophical thinker. I hope this is of value to you.

I would say with both collective consciousness and individual consciousness that you cannot have solid evidence for either depending on the philosophy which you are grounded on. Let me explain how I am viewing these 2 things with. After this i will introduce another perspective to follow which more or less is in line with yours. After that i will state my current perspective.

1st perspective: From the sole point of view of one person (lets just say me for example for this model im illustrating) there is no way to determine wether or not his entire existence is completely an illusion, and that he is the only conscious thing in existence. Under this perspective there is no way to know if there is individual consciousness or collective consciousness.

2nd perspective: From the sole point of view of one person accepting that other persons like him exist, without a doubt individual consciousness exists.

Now i will present my viewpoint currently about collective consciousness. First it is important to understand how i personally look at consciousness itself. I like to split the world we live in into 2 parts which are the subjective awareness and the objective reality. I put both of these parts under the umbrella of consciousness itself which implies that there is only 1 conscious mind i.e. the collective consciousness.

Under this framework i created it implies that the awareness relies on the reality to exist and vis versa as well. From my point of view looking at this current dualistic reality you and I live in, i see that our thoughts are without a doubt a byproduct of this objective reality. To me i see this as the evidence of the connection between what we percieve now as individual minds — that is if we pair my current perspective with the "2nd perspective" model i illustrated above. We all live in this same reality, this reality is what connects us.

I would like to hear your thoughts on my viewpoint and welcome as much criticism as possible if you disagree. Thank you for your comment about egregores.
I had a thought just now to go with my current perspective. In grimoires it is commonly said there are heirarchy systems for spirits. What if the heirarchies in nature are synonymous with the heirarchies of spirits?
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So i have no form of academic credentials, but i am a philosophical thinker. I hope this is of value to you.

I would say with both collective consciousness and individual consciousness that you cannot have solid evidence for either depending on the philosophy which you are grounded on. Let me explain how I am viewing these 2 things with. After this i will introduce another perspective to follow which more or less is in line with yours. After that i will state my current perspective.

1st perspective: From the sole point of view of one person (lets just say me for example for this model im illustrating) there is no way to determine wether or not his entire existence is completely an illusion, and that he is the only conscious thing in existence. Under this perspective there is no way to know if there is individual consciousness or collective consciousness.

2nd perspective: From the sole point of view of one person accepting that other persons like him exist, without a doubt individual consciousness exists.

Now i will present my viewpoint currently about collective consciousness. First it is important to understand how i personally look at consciousness itself. I like to split the world we live in into 2 parts which are the subjective awareness and the objective reality. I put both of these parts under the umbrella of consciousness itself which implies that there is only 1 conscious mind i.e. the collective consciousness.

Under this framework i created it implies that the awareness relies on the reality to exist and vis versa as well. From my point of view looking at this current dualistic reality you and I live in, i see that our thoughts are without a doubt a byproduct of this objective reality. To me i see this as the evidence of the connection between what we percieve now as individual minds — that is if we pair my current perspective with the "2nd perspective" model i illustrated above. We all live in this same reality, this reality is what connects us.

I would like to hear your thoughts on my viewpoint and welcome as much criticism as possible if you disagree. Thank you for your comment about egregores.
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I had a thought just now to go with my current perspective. In grimoires it is commonly said there are heirarchy systems for spirits. What if the heirarchies in nature are synonymous with the heirarchies of spirits?
Also you may see me ask people on this forum what their grounding perspective or perspectives they use are. Im curious to what yours is and i find that very important so that i fully can understand what you are saying.

If i have not articulated mine well enough above, i will reduce it as: my foundation is nondualistic but gather data in a dualistic viewpoint. My foundation is more like the compiler of data or you could call it the processing center.
 
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The above seems almost Teilhardian - he came up with the 'World Mind' concept a hundred years or more back now and was a very interesting thinker. I can highly recommend his excellent book '
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The only possible concern with this writer/thinker is that he was a Jesuit, so tends to be a little bit on the pious side at times, but this isn't the issue some think it is (think 'John Dee', for example, who was also highly piously christian but still probably the finest intellect that my country has ever produced) and his writings are well worth studying for their unique concepts.
@jkeller293 - I think you will enjoy it very much indeed.

 

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The above seems almost Teilhardian - he came up with the 'World Mind' concept a hundred years or more back now and was a very interesting thinker. I can highly recommend his excellent book '
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The only possible concern with this writer/thinker is that he was a Jesuit, so tends to be a little bit on the pious side at times, but this isn't the issue some think it is (think 'John Dee', for example, who was also highly piously christian but still probably the finest intellect that my country has ever produced) and his writings are well worth studying for their unique concepts.
@jkeller293 - I think you will enjoy it very much indeed.

Just downloaded the PDF of that. Thanks for the recommendation.
 

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Just downloaded the PDF of that. Thanks for the recommendation.
Enjoy.
It's a bugger to get into it fully, but it is well worthwhile to persevere with it.
Ignore the heavy Christian Philosophy as what he says applies regardless of religious preferences as it literally describes a theory of a World Mind as well as a World Soul that will either grow - or stagnate - depending on the people living there. It's not a hundred miles away from the Transcendental Meditation ideas, minus the danger of opening your mind to anything that may be wandering past
 

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Oh, egregors. I have a lot to add on this topic, these thoughts and opinions are based on personal experience and on the experience of my Russian colleagues. Indeed, we have a belief that an egregore is something that is created by people. Initially a blob of energy that is powered by people who have rallied together in one cause. Even coming to a soccer match, you feel these emotions, right? For example, at a soccer match, you feel the emotions of fans united in supporting their team. At this moment an egregore is created, which is fueled by the common energy. I practice Slavic paganism, and, like most people in Ukraine and Russia, I was baptized from childhood in church. The Christian egregore, is very evil and vindictive. As soon as you start studying other traditions, trying to interact with them, the Christian egregore will show you your place. And yes, I'm talking about really religious people now. Going deeper and deeper into the practice of paganism, and working with Slavic Gods, the Christianity egregore “hit” quite hard, and each time showed that it was not ready to part with such a tidbit. Earlier, I brought donations for the church, observed some church fasts, celebrated church holidays. At one time practiced through the church. Now, why do we think Christianity has an egregore? Because this religion was created artificially, mostly rewritten from paganism. When you are baptized in church, unfortunately, I don't know how baptism rites are held in your country, but in our country, if you consider it as a ritual, you can compare it as a closure from other traditions, a piece of hair is cut off from the child, buried with wax. On a place of “the third eye” they put a dot of church oil, as if closing your third eye, and when definitely baptized, as if they tie you on hands and feet, and connect you to the HE (Christian egregore). When I came to the path of paganism, so to speak, to my native Gods, and started the process of entering the tradition, on Christmas Day I was standing on the highway, because my car suddenly stalled, in the dark, it was raining, and I was just in a hopeless situation. Even the pack of cigarettes had evaporated from the car, I wished I had a smoke at that moment to calm my nerves a bit. HH beckoned to me. “The only car that stopped belonged to the father in law.”. “With the words 'God help us' he advised me to call a tow truck and drove off.” I was tipped off. Fighting with HH is considered pointless. He's strong enough, and you just can't take him out alone. That same night, I came home, gathered all the icons in a bag, all my jewelry in the form of a cross, and other paraphernalia. And I was determined to get baptized. Not a single bishop, not a single minister of the church gave me an answer to the question “how do I get baptized?” That is, in fact, there is no return ticket. I will not tell you how before the rite of baptism I continued to face the influence of KH, but believe me, this egregore is jealous, and there is enough dark power in it. It is not possible to cope with it alone, if you are interested in HE. Therefore I asked the Slavic Gods to take me under their wing, that they settled accounts with HE for me, and after that I thanked the Slavic and settled accounts with them. Also we have a concept of money egregor. All financial structures, banks, create one powerful money egregore. We even have a small ritual, in the branch of a successful bank, on the waxing moon you need to steal a leaf of a living plant, and after the leaf takes root, plant it at home. So to speak, to grow your money home egregor).
I don't know the correct English word for “leave religion, unbaptize”, so the translator gave the word “unbaptism”.
"Unbaptize"? You mean leave the Christian creed? The usual term is "apostasis" (noun) or "apostatize" verb. A person who does so is an "apostate."
All this from the old Greek "apo"--- away; "stasis"---stand or state. One who takes a stand away from the faith.
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The Thomas Theorem: "If one believes a thing to be real, then the consequences of that thing ARE real."

These consequences can be magical in nature.
One needs to add a lot of qualifiers here. In kindergarten, I thought I was Clint Eastwood. The real consequences of that belief were a bloody nose and split lip. Mine own. My belief was NOT supposed towork out that way. I suppose Thomas Theorem could be stretched to cover that: I believed something and I reaped real consequences. But in that case, all Thomas is saying is that acting on any belief, true or not, has consequences. Which is scarcely enlightening. If I think my servitor Servitus here is real, that belief will have real consequences regardless of whether Servitus enjoys existence apart from my imagination or not. He might bring me my slippers and crack pipe. Or he might not, and I will rage at the lazy figment of fancy. Both sets of consequences are real. Neither answers the question of Servitus' ontological standing. So I do not see where Thomas is adding anything.
 
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One needs to add a lot of qualifiers here. In kindergarten, I thought I was Clint Eastwood. The real consequences of that belief were a bloody nose and split lip. Mine own. My belief was NOT supposed towork out that way. I suppose Thomas Theorem could be stretched to cover that: I believed something and I reaped real consequences. But in that case, all Thomas is saying is that acting on any belief, true or not, has consequences. Which is scarcely enlightening. If I think my servitor Servitus here is real, that belief will have real consequences regardless of whether Servitus enjoys existence apart from my imagination or not. He might bring me my slippers and crack pipe. Or he might not, and I will rage at the lazy figment of fancy. Both sets of consequences are real. Neither answers the question of Servitus' ontological standing. So I do not see where Thomas is adding anything.
Well certainly, the Thomas Theorem has nothing to say about whether Servitus is actually real. Even Crowley warned not to necessarily attribute reality to all the spirits etc. that he talked about. The point is that it doesn't matter if Servitus is real, if he still has the same effects. The question posed by the OP is never going to have a yes/no answer.
 

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Well certainly, the Thomas Theorem has nothing to say about whether Servitus is actually real. Even Crowley warned not to necessarily attribute reality to all the spirits etc. that he talked about. The point is that it doesn't matter if Servitus is real, if he still has the same effects. The question posed by the OP is never going to have a yes/no answer.
Actually he does not have the same effects. If he is real, he gets me my slippers. If he isn't (or is lazy), I get no slippers. An unreal servitor won't do #1. It's not likely my mind unaided brings me my slippers. Telekinesis is at best very spotty and unreliable.
 

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Actually he does not have the same effects. If he is real, he gets me my slippers. If he isn't (or is lazy), I get no slippers. An unreal servitor won't do #1. It's not likely my mind unaided brings me my slippers. Telekinesis is at best very spotty and unreliable.
Sorry, I meant exists rather than real. He is definitely real - you decided that :) but he may or may not exist. The example I always give for this sort of thing is money. Only a fool would say money wasn't real. But does it exist? On British banknotes it still says (albeit in microscopically tiny letters) "I promise to pay the bearer on demand the sum of..." but if you go to the bank and try to get your five pounds, you will be sadly disappointed of course :)
Is the five pounds real? Yes, I just bought coffee and cake with it. Does it exist? Wellllllll maybe....
Is Servitus real? Yes, he found my slippers. Does he exist? Wellllllll maybe...
 
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