[Opinion] Have you noticed a larger percentage of the population is becoming irrational in so many ways?

[KjEno186]

@WisdomAddict please do not get off topic: why people seem to become more irrational in recent years.

 

[byte007]

I also advocate education as the answer. Even if you wanted to try and "protect" the Internet (which I do not), it is impossible. What you really want is a population who looks at the stupid ideas and says "That's bollocks".

Post automatically merged: Dec 10, 2023

You miss my point. When you divide people into 'us' and 'them', and make it clear that you consider 'them' to be inferior, bad things follow.

Is not one of the definitions of an elitist someone who thinks they are better than everyone?

I did not understand that is what you were saying, my bad. That statement makes sense for sure. They should be saying "never mind the bollocks!" as the pistols said back in the day! That is how they prevail, divide and conquer, "us and them" Roger Waters thoughts as well! Great musician.

I do not believe anyone is inferior, just different perspectives. Of course perspectives can be wrong based on patterns but it does not make them inferior for not knowing the patterns, just misinformed. It gets a bit murky when they ignore patterns of course as far being able to educate. The divides that are happening are big and it is not looking good I think out there. I know many are waking up to all kinds of things but I know how they planned it and it is very smart, a mess indeed. All the while the wealth is being transferred to the top and power even more consolidated.

 

[Robert Ramsay]

I did not understand that is what you were saying, my bad. That statement makes sense for sure. They should be saying "never mind the bollocks!" as the pistols said back in the day! That is how they prevail, divide and conquer, "us and them" Roger Waters thoughts as well! Great musician.

I do not believe anyone is inferior, just different perspectives. Of course perspectives can be wrong based on patterns but it does not make them inferior for not knowing the patterns, just misinformed. It gets a bit murky when they ignore patterns of course as far being able to educate. The divides that are happening are big and it is not looking good I think out there. I know many are waking up to all kinds of things but I know how they planned it and it is very smart, a mess indeed. All the while the wealth is being transferred to the top and power even more consolidated.

I don't think it's a plan. I think it's something scarier; a natural evolution stemming from the way we select our leaders. I don't mean how we vote, I mean that the way we measure success is based on who/what has the most resources, and this leads to selecting for psychopaths in industry, politics, every walk of life where success is measured in this way. (And by "selecting" I mean evolutionary selection - "The blind watchmaker")

 

[byte007]

I don't think it's a plan. I think it's something scarier; a natural evolution stemming from the way we select our leaders. I don't mean how we vote, I mean that the way we measure success is based on who/what has the most resources, and this leads to selecting for psychopaths in industry, politics, every walk of life where success is measured in this way. (And by "selecting" I mean evolutionary selection - "The blind watchmaker")

All the patterns of what is happening shows careful planning by the top of the power structure. The people are manipulated to choose one or the other when it really is no choice. Most are not aware of it unfortunately. I agree the psychopaths are getting the upper hand in the structure but psychology proves that psychopaths are mentally ill and they will always destroy themselves eventually. They destroy others (make enemies) and have compulsions that cause their eventual destruction generally. If our system goes the way the top wants it, it will all crumble as the planet will throw all kinds of stuff our way. I think everything is connected and at the end of empires there is always major devastation. Of course in history the very top always got through these cycles, this time I do not think so. A hypothesis based on patterns and that civilization is connected like never before. We will see what the future holds.

 

[Roma]

shows careful planning by the top of the power structure.

What if the human were not just physical but had emotional and mental levels?

What if there were non-human communications possible on those levels?

Given that most humans cannot yet control their emotions, and few can control their thoughts, is non-physical communication being used in managing humans?

 

[byte007]

What if the human were not just physical but had emotional and mental levels?

What if there were non-human communications possible on those levels?

Given that most humans cannot yet control their emotions, and few can control their thoughts, is non-physical communication being used in managing humans?

I think it def is. For the top as well as everyone. I think since we are all connected when the fear gets high it starts to tip the ship toward the negative and then humans are effected by more negative influence from the non physical. Like a torus model where the energy/frequency changes... Then since it is all connected a lot of destruction in the physical to fix the energy to have a healthy energy flow. I would think by now the Source would be getting tired of this cycle... The closed loop infinity of doing the same thing over and over (although we would not know if the Source is expecting different results...) People often do though. It reminds how the number 8 in numerology is associated with success and then loss of success and then rebuilding it again. Turn the 8 side ways and you get closed loop infinity... Things that make you think.

 

[Wintruz]

The "minds" of 95% of the population are given to them through socialisation, the impulses of the body and unique perspective of the interactions between those two principles. Original thought is limited to a very small number of people and even they struggle with overthrowing the social mind that's been prepared for them.

What is going into making the minds of the masses is much more negative and confused than it has been in a long time. The signals from social leaders are almost universally negative, the body is being run on food increasingly removed from its natural environment, there are endless sources proclaiming "Have it your way" or "Speak your mind" without for a moment asking whether what they are inviting has any value. Even the idea of using freedom with wisdom has been undermined by the near-ubiquitous belief that things are relative and there is no such thing as a better way. Subject to such intense impulses most people are a mess and, yes, irrational and unpredictable. It will get worse before it gets better.

In the meantime, my moat is filled and my drawbridge is up.

 

[byte007]

The "minds" of 95% of the population are given to them through socialisation, the impulses of the body and unique perspective of the interactions between those two principles. Original thought is limited to a very small number of people and even they struggle with overthrowing the social mind that's been prepared for them.

What is going into making the minds of the masses is much more negative and confused than it has been in a long time. The signals from social leaders are almost universally negative, the body is being run on food increasingly removed from its natural environment, there are endless sources proclaiming "Have it your way" or "Speak your mind" without for a moment asking whether what they are inviting has any value. Even the idea of using freedom with wisdom has been undermined by the near-ubiquitous belief that things are relative and there is no such thing as a better way. Subject to such intense impulses most people are a mess and, yes, irrational and unpredictable. It will get worse before it gets better.

In the meantime, my moat is filled and my drawbridge is up.

Agreed, although I would add that while they say "speak your mind" the patterns show they are taking away that ability. Mainly to stop the truth from being shared in the conversation. Both political sides will convince their constituents as much as they can to take away the rights of the opposing side in ways. This of course leads to no rights of everyone by the time they are done this act and then on to the next act of the play...

The part that gets me is the corrupted people under the top fall for it all because they benefit. At some point they may not and then they are screwed. I mean wouldn't you think that a psychopath would know you can't trust other psychopaths? I mean mutual benefit works while it is preferable for both parties, and once it isn't... Most dictators killed a lot of the people around them for all kinds of reasons. Things that make you think.

 

[Diluculo_DelFuego]

@WisdomAddict please do not get off topic: why people seem to become more irrational in recent years.

I think many have called it....we are told what to think, do and say, and classical education and religion have become racist, sexist or whatever other label to make them disappear once one person is somehow offended by them. Part 9f critical thinking .. and being a functional adult .. is the ability to feel, see and hear, but not lose self control over it or come up with a label rather than verbal de-escalation if necessary, and the ability to have a logical discussion without being irrational.

 

[byte007]

I think many have called it....we are told what to think, do and say, and classical education and religion have become racist, sexist or whatever other label to make them disappear once one person is somehow offended by them. Part 9f critical thinking .. and being a functional adult .. is the ability to feel, see and hear, but not lose self control over it or come up with a label rather than verbal de-escalation if necessary, and the ability to have a logical discussion without being irrational.

I agree, and the unfortunate part then based on your definition of a functional person is that most are not functional then. I don't come across too many people anymore who are not emotionally attached to a belief to the point that they will truly listen and look at evidence. Most will grab for the answer they want rather than actually being open to new perspectives. Also having an idea of the big picture makes a difference as obviously one who does not know big picture concepts will more easily fall into the traps of conformation bias and deception. It is a difficult thing to not fall into even when you are aware of a lot, I think it becomes habit based and a strong ego helps.

 

[Robert Ramsay]

I don't come across too many people anymore who are not emotionally attached to a belief to the point that they will truly listen and look at evidence. Most will grab for the answer they want rather than actually being open to new perspectives.

...and then fly into an irrational rage when either their beliefs are questioned, or they get called out on some bullshit they've previously pooted forth.

 

[byte007]

...and then fly into an irrational rage when either their beliefs are questioned, or they get called out on some bullshit they've previously pooted forth.

Totally! I don't do rage, not my style, not yours either by the looks of it, cool! People giving perspectives in a open and friendly way. The way it should be.

 

[Diluculo_DelFuego]

Segregation, willingly or unwillingly is an issue as well. There was an old book or two on race and racism ... "Why are all the black kids sitting together in the cafeteria" and one by an author whose ethnicity was from India.
I'm racist because of life experiences, by many ethnicity encounters.
So, it's not surprising that everybody by and large prefer to be with people of their own race.
Most commercials and old movies are now starring as a majority African Americans, Indian Americans and Asian Americans.
One lady in Boston (politician?) Sent an email unwittingly to all for a racist get together of "people of color (only)". White people saw it and were (righteously in my opinion) offended as all the anti hate crap is crap ... People of all races are by and large, racist. Example: people of color party vs Jewish Americans who are considered white, Russian Americans who are considered white, Italian Americans who are considered white, etc.

Post automatically merged: Dec 14, 2023

In contrast, when I was younger, I found it easy, and preferable to make friends with anyone of any race versus neighborhood bullies, to not be a bully toadie.
In junior high, it all changed. There were dangerous fights with high schoolers carrying weapons and rumors of racism wars, and racism accusations from African Americans to get a rise out of whites. It intensified in high school as one neighborhood became Bloods, and another Crips after the movie Colors was in theaters. Not to mention my school was at war with another in the same town. Hillbilly whites loved the movie The Outsiders, showing not a race war but a class war as well. I, a white suburban kid, was caught in the middle. Then we had a race war my senior year.
Racism intensifies throughout the years, no matter where I lived, Ann Arbor, Ypsilanti, Warren, Chicago, and now in CA;
I as a middle aged, disabled, homeless, white, straight, male don't feel safe anywhere.

Post automatically merged: Dec 14, 2023

A few more examples ... ten years ago I worked in a large computing firm that had all races employed, but the largest bu far were indian americans and caucasians (white people). I was dragged into a sales presentation which was odd for three reasons, one it was on a MLM presentation to the indian americans and me. Second, I was the only non indian american in the room. Third, I was made to feel small by being the only one dismissed after the presentation. Not to mention, we were IT people, not in sales. Why, just why?

Black twitter vs twitter. Why, just why?

For the longest time, televisions was mostly whites. Blacks/african americans making cameo or entertainer appearances only. Why, just why?

We can go on. Largely, by and large, I think segregation and race wars are back in style, with the only change being white males being the new cameo appearance or minority. This is not a pro racism reply, it is a factual reply. Because people were once offended by racism does not make reverse racism right.

 

[Viktor]

Yeah, large portion of population get irrational due to consumerism which is so popular in modern times.
Today's people only work to be able to buy stuff to enjoy their life, very few however care on how to turn 100 bucks into 200.

Where is the old enjoy your life in little things and enjoying in those things which you already have?
People scrap their stuff which works just fine because there is a brand new and better version available to buy.

Did you notice product "expiration date" is just a marketing trick that has started to exist in last few decades,
For centuries and millennia's people were living without it just fine lol

 

[Robert Ramsay]

Did you notice product "expiration date" is just a marketing trick that has started to exist in last few decades,
For centuries and millennia's people were living without it just fine lol

Apart from the ones that ate rotten food they'd kept too long

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

: You are a filth wizard. Friend only to the pig and the rat. Ugh. Look?
[he opens a pizza box]

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

: Pizza. I was going to warm it and eat it later. Everybody does that. That's normal. You are just looking for things to complain about.

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

: And what are these?

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

: ...wasps.

 

[Xenophon]

Honestly Fuego why did you tag the Anti Semite maniac that can't form a sentence beyond "Jew bad"

Good query. As part of my general misanthropy I am an anti-Semite, but even I am growing a little weary of everyone and his dog dumping on Israel for fighting back against Hamas. (I mean what do they EXPECT?) Besides, any thinking anti-Semite has to ask himself why HIS own Volk are so very susceptible to being duped century after century. David Myatt has a number of well thought-essays hinting openly at chronic deficiencies in the white European psyche. These tend to produce a human-type he calls "homo hubris." Google his stuff.

 

[Diluculo_DelFuego]

I guess I was trying to be cordial.

 

[Xenophon]

I guess I was trying to be cordial.

Son, you'll never be a social media influencer if you can't kick the "cordial" habit.

Post automatically merged: Jan 24, 2024

Yeah, large portion of population get irrational due to consumerism which is so popular in modern times.
Today's people only work to be able to buy stuff to enjoy their life, very few however care on how to turn 100 bucks into 200.

Where is the old enjoy your life in little things and enjoying in those things which you already have?
People scrap their stuff which works just fine because there is a brand new and better version available to buy.

Did you notice product "expiration date" is just a marketing trick that has started to exist in last few decades,
For centuries and millennia's people were living without it just fine lol

If one can't figure out his food is spoiled, he deserves a case of the runs. "Pathei mathos" like ol' Aeschylus said. Suffer and learn.

 

[Vandheer]

(I mean what do they EXPECT?)

Money. It has to be money. Nobody is this stupid (I hope).

Whether Israel themselves paid it or its Iran - Russia - China trinity so they could stretch NATO thin, no idea.

David Myatt has a number of well thought-essays hinting openly at chronic deficiencies in the white European psyche. These tend to produce a human-type he calls "homo hubris." Google his stuff.

Been there, done that.

 

[Xenophon]

Money. It has to be money. Nobody is this stupid (I hope).

Whether Israel themselves paid it or its Iran - Russia - China trinity so they could stretch NATO thin, no idea.



Been there, done that.

Ah, NATO. "Ecrasons l'infame."

Post automatically merged: Jan 24, 2024

@WisdomAddict please do not get off topic: why people seem to become more irrational in recent years.

Remember: you're asking irrational people not to get off topic. That's like expecting cats to goosestep in cadence.