Moderately More Catholic and "Abrahamist" Grimoire Evocation

[MorganBlack]

Temporarily De-Centering Greek Paganism and Agnosticism from Goetia

Making another thread to keep from going off topic from here:

Grimoires & PGM - looking for others

Grimoires & PGM - looking for others

I hinted at this in my intro, but I’ll be more explicit here. I’m looking to connect with magicians who work with spirits through the grimoires in a way that stays reasonably close to the textual sources. Most of my background has been in GD and Crowley influenced CM-style work, which was great...

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I know the Greco-Egyptian revival is all the rage right now, thanks largely to Jake Stratton-Kent's excellent work, and it's absolutely valid. But it tends to dominate the conversation to the point where other equally historical approaches get drowned out.

This thread operates under a Chaos Magic framework to explore monotheistic mythic paradigms in grimoire practice. Specifically, we're re-examining and re-inviting the Catholic, Christian, Islamic, and Judaic threads that were historically central to the grimoire tradition afterthe conversions some historians suggest happened during the Byzantine Empire.

While Greek goetia thread is absolutely valid, and I have tremendous respect and adoration for Jake Stratton-Kent's scholarship, there's a case to be made that the contribution of Greek magical papyri to the medieval grimoire tradition may have been somewhat overstated in recent discourse. His PGM-Thelemic framework absolutely works - I've used it successfully myself - but it has contributed to an over-correction toward the "paganization" conversations and threads. This has unfortunately led to increased dismissiveness and hostility toward the monotheistic frameworks that were, if lately, foundational to most of the grimoire texts.

Why Chaos Magic as the Framework. We're using Chaos Magic principles here to maintain methodological flexibility and mutual respect. The paradigm-shifting approach of Chaos Magic allows us to work with Catholic, Islamic, Judaic, or Hermetic henothestic frameworks as functional magical paradigms without requiring literal theological commitment.

What This Thread Is NOT. I'm sorry I even have to say this. This is not the place to: Vent anti-religious sentiment. Relitigate historical grievances against the Church or organized religion. Express atheistic skepticism about theistic practice. Engage in the same tired critiques and propaganda that have been circulating for centuries. Claim the methods of the grims are outdated and pointless becasue your personal buddy Asmodeus told you so.

Also, iIf you find yourself unable to paradigm-shift into a monotheistic mythic framework without experiencing strong negative reactions, this may indicate unresolved religious trauma. That's completely valid and deserves compassionate attention - but here it means, in this particular thread, that this thread may not be the right fit for you right now. Therapy or trauma-specific spaces would be more appropriate venues for that work.


On-topic Discussion Topics

Catholic ritual structure in grimoire work
Exploring Catholic, Christian, Islamic and Jewish othodoxy as it relates to the grimoire tradition
The role of psalms, angelic hierarchies, and divine names
Islamic jinn magic and its relationship to Solomonic tradition
Judaic Kabbalah in grimoire contexts
Hermetic henothestic frameworks
Paradigm-shifting techniques for practitioners from non-monotheistic backgrounds
Practical experiences and results
Spiritualist appraches uch as New World sorcery seance techniques. See Julio Cesar's Ody Magister Officiorum for an example.

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A couple to get the grimoire moderate monotheism ball rollin'.

Most people critique Catholicism without knowing what they are critiquing.

Here's Bishop Robert Barron, from Los Angeles, talking about 'God' as the 'Ground of Being', that makes all things luminous.

The Orthodox Catholic version of God is much closer to Neoplatonic conception of The One than the Mean-Cop-in-the-Sky God of other Christianities. This is the language of their internal mystical tradition.

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Gitch Bottle's Alexander Eth was raised Catholic, and is supportive of this mythic framework.

Not Just Magicians: Catholic Exorcists Called On Demons, Too
What actually makes exorcisms effective? What are demons? What is the Catholic teaching on magic, grimoires and spirit summoning?

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[Angelkesfarl]

The Eastern Cosmic Model of Sorcery: Origins, Hierarchy, and Boundaries
We begin with a specific premise regarding Sorcery (Sihr) within Eastern and Islamic traditions: it possesses a definitive beginning and an end. It is a mundane science, not a Divine one, contrary to what some may claim.

Sorcery's Limits and Scope
Sorcery cannot secure you a place in Paradise, nor can it save you from Hell. For instance, can you perform a spell to make an Angel marry and love a mortal woman? No.

Therefore, Sorcery is a worldly science concerned with the material and the immediate realm beyond the material (the subtle realm), but it specifically concerns the Earth. All planetary constructs linked to sorcerous arts are contained within our solar system, and the expansion into astrological signs remains within the boundaries of the visible cosmos.

In the Eastern definition, Sorcery is defined as words and actions, assisted by objects, that result in an influence upon individuals or any other form of life.

The Dual Origin of Sorcery in Eastern Belief
Where does Sorcery originate according to the Eastern doctrine? It has only two sources:

The Teachings of the Shayateen (Devils/Demons).

The Angels of Sorcery: Harut and Marut.

In our academic and esoteric circles in the East, we entirely reject the narrative of the 'Fall of Angels.' We consider Angels to be creatures of Divine Light, created for worship, love, and absolute obedience to the Creator. They are, in reality, nameless shadows of God's Names and Attributes, serving His will faithfully.

The Role of Harut and Marut
These two Angels, Harut and Marut, are the Masters of Sorcery. They are assigned by the Creator to administer this power. All the power and influence of sorcery originate from them, supported by a vast network of subordinate Angels. Even Black Magic derives its operational power through them, as they are entrusted with authorizing the Creator’s permission for a spell to succeed or fail.

The Phenomenon of the 'Gods' (Al-Tawaghit)
Is there any other God besides the One Creator? In the East, the answer is definitively No.

So, what is the definition of "Gods" (Deities) in the Eastern (Arabic) esoteric science? They are Al-Tawaghit (Tyrants/Rebellious Ones). A Taghut is a rebellious individual, but their rebellion is not blind; it stems from their mastery of mechanisms granted to them by the Creator. They are exclusively from the Jinn—creatures of primordial Fire—who transformed from fire into a malleable, etheric state, possessing immense power (though limited before the Angels).

The Tawaghit are the masters of mythology. They create these legends through their followers among humans, devils, and other Jinn.

The Great War and the Cosmic Justification (Izn Al-Fitna)
Here lies the function of Harut and Marut: acting under a Divine Command called the Permission of Trial and Tribulation (Izn Al-Fitna). (The world of Sorcery is enticing, is it not?)

A simple clarification: God created all beings. Before Adam, the Jinn were created from the primordial, elemental Fire of the cosmos (elemental fire, solar fire, earthly fire, etc.). The Jinn existed before Adam, with powerful governments and kingdoms. When they reached the peak of their science and technology—mastering interdimensional travel faster than light by exploiting hidden gates and jump points—they began to believe they were Gods, given their longevity. Their kings declared themselves deities to be worshipped, and the less powerful claimed to be the sons of the divine, possessing divine attributes.

When they discovered and mastered Sorcery, they realized that while their nature was powerful, true magical power demanded a terrible price: submission to the system. This is the origin of all the powerful binding, invoking, banishing, and compelling words found in all Grimoires.

However, when the Jinn kingdoms plunged into tyranny, disobeying the Divine commands, the supposed "gods" began to clash for supremacy. At this point, the armies of the Lord (the Angels) descended. They annihilated all forms of power created by the Jinn, shattered their primary continent (Atlantis), destroyed all their works, and exiled the survivors into another dimension. They are now chained in the Aetheric realm, unable to manifest without specific, prior permission.

A Call for Deeper Understanding
This framework offers a complete, unified cosmology—a unique view of magic, Jinn, and the true nature of the 'Gods' from a master's perspective. This is just the opening premise. Through further discussion and analysis, we will unveil more profound facets of this Eastern wisdom to illuminate the paths of Western practitioners.