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Symbolism is definitely a proof of esoteric.
Figuring out esoteric out of exoteric is challenging and cool.

Egyptology for example, their writings, pyramids etc. are mostly if not all about gods and afterlife.
Or symbolism of free masons etc. esotericism is definitely not a thing of the past, it's constantly present in all ages and even today.

When it comes to the occult, I think esoteric isn't just about keeping things secret just for the sake of secrecy, or ...



... keeping magic secret because the more secret it is more powerful it is considered.
You're referring to holders of rare or private grimoires, agree likely they keep them secret only to attract people to their coven instead of because magic they have is dangerous.

But there are probably exceptions and valid reasons, such as herbal recipes ex. poisons or magic which can cause psychological trauma to victim.
There is a good point though. For example my dumbass years ago or even now, opened just about anything. Had I just yaiej VKs route id be a master demonolater perhaps. He'd I stuck with the Golden Dawn, id be an adept perhaps. It completely insane. I've met a few ispisimus who were insane.
 
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The things that are kept hidden all lead to a downfall. They are monstrous, brutal and dumb. Some of them destroyed whole civilications into oblivion.

There is no golden age after a complete destruction. It is all gone for good.
Today in modern society civilization benefits from the discovery of nuclear energy. It has resulted in the creation of nuclear weapons that could wipe out the entire planet, and it has also resulted in the creation of nuclear power stations that creates energy for entire cities.

If the argument is that humans are more bad than good so certain knowledge should be hidden, then I'd argue that it should all be released and we should rightfully all be wiped out due to our own actions.

However it seems there are some gems which are known to exist to some people but are not easy accessible, they can be found but only in single library, some of which not digitalized or digitalized but now downloadable such as online library where all you can do is read but not download.
One example of such library is
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I don't think I'll need any other author's writings but Franz Bardon. In his first book he teaches you how to acquire the necessary knowledge and power to contact certain entities, and in his 2nd book he teaches you how to contact these entities and learn from them. So you can learn directly from the source (that's likely where a lot of these authors got their information anyways).

On another note, I looked at the library and I'm pretty sure I could batch download the books using specific software, and if we wanted we could start a project involving members on the site, where we digitize the books ourselves and then create a library. But I honestly don't think it's worth the time and effort (or the storage space).

If you find any book there that you think is worth reading let me know, I'll download it and send you a pdf.
 

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"When to use a shovel is all about being a witch"
 

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On another note, I looked at the library and I'm pretty sure I could batch download the books using specific software, and if we wanted we could start a project involving members on the site, where we digitize the books ourselves and then create a library. But I honestly don't think it's worth the time and effort (or the storage space).
This forum already has a library and a collection of books, for myself I don't keep many books on disk, only few rare gems and most popular ones which I use for study.
There was firefox extension called "down them all", very useful for bulk download, don't know if it still exists, what program do you have in mind?

If you find any book there that you think is worth reading let me know, I'll download it and send you a pdf.
Thanks but I've learned from another site that this collection from cornel library is mostly about inquisition rather than witchcraft, so I'm not interested.
What I'm more interested in is collecting websites with similar online libraries which I add to bookmarks for future search.
 
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This forum already has a library and a collection of books, for myself I don't keep many books on disk, only few rare gems and most popular ones which I use for study.
There was firefox extension called "down them all", very useful for bulk download, don't know if it still exists, what program do you have in mind?
jdownloader, it's a free software and it works as good as any paid software (may not have all the features they do though). If you're willing to buy a software, IDM - Internet Download Manager is a good one.

Thanks but I've learned from another site that this collection from cornel library is mostly about inquisition rather than witchcraft, so I'm not interested.
What I'm more interested in is collecting websites with similar online libraries which I add to bookmarks for future search.
What libraries are those?

The best online archive I've found for occult writings went down a short while after I found it. Luckily I was able to download a ton of things from it before then (the-eye.eu). Hopefully it will be back up by next year.
 

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I remember talking to several djinn asking if i could spread some info. The answer was ehhh nah, humans are stupid, dont know what they are doing and im not going to clean up that old mess, you think were gonna give new info????

I tend to agree.
 

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I remember talking to several djinn asking if i could spread some info. The answer was ehhh nah, humans are stupid, dont know what they are doing and im not going to clean up that old mess, you think were gonna give new info????

I tend to agree.
Nobody is going to give info for free and as you said not even evil spirits would.
But there are two valuable currencies which are not money, and that is learning on your skin or with your blood or trading knowledge for knowledge.

In trading knowledge for knowledge you never know what you'll get in exchange and learning on your skin can be expensive.
Do you know of any other method?
 

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I remember talking to several djinn asking if i could spread some info. The answer was ehhh nah, humans are stupid, dont know what they are doing and im not going to clean up that old mess, you think were gonna give new info????

I tend to agree.
Djinns can be pretty nifty, especially their fireish attitude. There are also beings like the Fae inside nature even they guard the secrets of nature itself and can cause some pretty bad luck if you go to even nature with the wrong attitude.

Tbh if you can destroy the entire universe with magick, why wouldn't it be kept a secret?
 

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Well i did the methods you mentioned and it is as you say. I think when young its easy, but now older and with loved ones, it isnt a healthty option.

Some people i have connections with work with spirits and i just ask if i can enter their head and ask the spirits some stuff. I also have connections with people who have used witchcraft against me. Those i just take over and tell the spirits whats going on and ask for better input to resolve the issue. But what i like best is when i can help in a healing, cause no matter what you do its intended to heal.
 

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Djinns btw can be way more then you say, have a love life similar to humans and live on earth in a different dimension and can be very annoyed by certain things in cyber space. When you by accident bump into one online, you better listen. They dont like the interconnection like that and can help when you keep it cool. Emotions and feelings are def not their forte.
 

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Does the teacher bear some responsibility for what the student does with his/her new skills/knowledge?

For how many lives would such responsibility last?

I met a woman running wiccan shop. After some direct questions, she said her job was keeping unsuitable people out of the craft. Suitability depended upon bloodline
I disagree with the woman running the wiccan shop. IMO every one deserves a chance to discover the knowledge found within the great work, and to advance their existence within the etheric realms by their knowledge and effort.
 
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The location of that town is relevant. The Malkuth of theToL on an adjacent landmass is lying across the peninsula where the town is, so that some very heavy energies are accessible in the local mountains.

Perhaps she was protecting her nation from the heavy karma attached to the adjacent landmass
 

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Now as far as secrecy goes, the most powerful thing one can do, is keep a secret. I have many secrets, that are kept within my Heart. However, I do share some of the things I know from my experiences. But, the most profound secrets, are the ones I keep really deep.
 

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the most powerful thing one can do, is keep a secret.

From my observation, it is quite possible to keep some secrets from humans of lower consciousness than oneself.

On the other hand, it seems difficult to keep secrets from nature spirits, and I had a stray cat that could look straight through me. (The etheric body of that cat was of a large black panther.)

The very effort of keeping a secret may emanate energy and change light-bodies - thus attracting inner plane onlookers of various species and intents
 

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there is no such threat today
Wrong.

Certain places still go after people that deal with the occult, or you might have a deranged zealot as a part of your community and not even know that they're the type to "hunt witches".


it's still difficult to get to information, some things (magic, knowledge) are still kept secret, and I'm wondering why would that be.
Probably people got used to keeping it all a secret because they learned that that was the safest way to avoid issues with others(specially with other people with power).

When something makes you feel safe, it's hard to break off from that mindset and think that "it's fine, it's safe to be open now".
You also can get used to doing things in such a way that through the ages the reason "why this is like that" disappears and others end up saying that "it's because it is sacred", or "because it is dangerous(but not by the reasons they think of)".
 

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The way I would put it is this through analogy:

"Knives are useful but you wouldnt give a knife to a child, you would supervise the child with the knife."
 

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Reasons why people keep secrets were already told. Groups keep secrets to lure others. Individual keep secrets in order to feel more important than others.

Some people see gate keeping and speak out against it. It is a noble belief by itself, but it completely misses the point. Even if we exclude the severe danger that some things can be over long period of time to a practitioner...
(people like talking how spirits or spells might kill them, but they won't be writing that if it really was that dangerous, wouldn't they?)
...there are other reasons why people will never understand some things. I like to go back to story of tower of Babel and when God had cursed humanity to speak in different languages. As a result, this tower had collapsed due to our inability to communicate with each other. I like to think that it was not the different languages which are our curse. That thing is trivial to overcome. However, the real reason is that we cannot find common ground. Despite the fact that we all born and die as equals. Despite the fact that our souls might inhibit this realm for countless generations, from lowest beggar to highest king. Despite that we all have same universal needs and desires. There is this discord between all humans where we seemingly want to kill each other. Each convinced of their own righteousness and truth. We are unable to find universal common ground despite being same beings. Despite wanting same things. We are seemingly locked from understanding each other's point of view no matter how hard we might try. This is the real curse put on humanity which prevents us from ever being great, unified and speaking in one voice.

There is an invisible barrier which people have. Many schools of thought see this barrier as a need for ''enlightenment'' in one form or another. I do think that this ''enlightenment'' is a way to remove those obstacles put by God. Practitioner which had dabbled with magic directly in one or other form is forever changed in a subtle way. His view on the world usually changes dramatically when he completes his transformation, his or her enlightenment. I had read many stories of old WF members who in their words had went insane during this process until they come out of it stronger. I do think that there are countless more who never go through this process, get stuck with all the downsides of it with none of the benefits.

What I had noticed through the years is that people are stuck in a thought pattern which prevents them from seeing how things are. They want you to give something how they want to be given. They want it to look how they imagine it to be. They want it to be easy. There are so many issues which prevent sharing of knowledge between us. I tried to help some, but they are seemingly stuck in their world. My words fall upon deaf ears. One member for example kept demanding me to give him sources to magic books which would help him to achieve results which would be easy to objectively prove and was very upset about me when I did not gave him any. All of this misses the entire issue. You cannot just take a book and learn how to cast spells. You need to learn so many subtle things first. How to meditate. How to breathe. You need to learn patience. You need to learn how to concentrate. You need to learn humility. Even I, mighty Calicifer are incredibly humble in my own ways.

Most people will lack something in them to effectively share this knowledge. When you meet someone with whom you can share this knowledge, in my experience both practitioners already know what they are doing and they are unwilling to take up foreign methods seriously. We pick and choose parts which we like and adopt it in our own discipline as we see fit.


If you want my secret through which I had achieved all my incredible feats, here it is with no obfuscation:
A lot of energy work throughout long periods of time. For me it might take days of channeling my energy, twisting my perception of the world around me and willing something to happen. This energy work can be either incredibly intense through burning, raging emotions or cold and persistent through many days. If working with entities, be humble, be persistent and authoritative. My super secret trick is to gather enough will power for a ritual and simply say to the spirit that I'm not going away until you address me. That usually saves both of us a lot of trouble.

Here, it is all that here is to it for me. I need no book. I do not need any incantations. Rituals are not necessary, but they do make things more straight forward and easier to get results with. So, now as you know secret to everything, does this allow you to meet spirits? Heal your own wounds? Destroy your enemies? Or do you need so much more context to achieve all of this on your own?
 

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In Wagner's Lohengrin, the Swan Knight rescued/married Elsa on the condition that she did not ask him from where he came.

When she was fooled into asking, he immediately departed forever.

What was the secret of his origin?

That is still a relevant question to the spiritual scientist.
 

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Nice. Secrets keep themselves secret. You can tell them and they hear nothing. Show them and they see nothing. Write it down and they understand nothing.
As soon as they find something out, they be like why didn't you tell me!
 
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