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Unfulfilled promises to God, angels and demons

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Remember when we were younger, and we bargained with God, or made promises?
I made several I couldn't keep.
Same with angels and demons.

So, how do we find out what, for lack of better words, we owe to all of these spirits for all time, and who takes priority?
 

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If you're a Christian (and most times it sounds like you are), then if I remember correctly there is only 1 unforgivable sin, which is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. That includes things such as attributing works by the Holy Spirit to the devil.

Now... that all seems like a very human type of control. You do not "bad mouth" the Holy Spirit. What sort of exalted being would care about such a thing? Logically, it makes absolutely zero sense. Plenty of human beings are beyond the point of caring about someone badmouthing them, so why would an all-knowing, all-seeing God care?

This is a rhetorical question. I'm not looking for answers. I have my own, which is I think it's rubbish and was put there by the church to exert control. However, if you truly believe it, it may still have an effect on your life.

Anyways, back on topic, that's the only unforgivable sin, so if you haven't broken that one, and you truly believe in all that, you're fine.
 

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Remember when we were younger, and we bargained with God, or made promises?
I made several I couldn't keep.
Same with angels and demons.

So, how do we find out what, for lack of better words, we owe to all of these spirits for all time, and who takes priority?
Is there a reason you keep working a system you don’t seem to understand?

im not saying we do..but you seem to Either not be doing it right but worse you’ve mentioned the spirits have taken offense at times against you...

By making promises, some spirits may expect you to keep them...im Not talking about eternal hell...IMO there’s no such thing but there’s a concept of for example, if we wrong someone we must suffer for it in the afterlife and in our future reincarnations

But some of these demons, etc you mention may hold you to account n want what was promised, this can follow you from incarnation to incarnation. I’m not saying they will but it’s possible, if you contacted them, they heard you etc.

have you thought of stepping away from doing rituals and understanding what they mean before dabbling further?
 

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If you're a Christian (and most times it sounds like you are), then if I remember correctly there is only 1 unforgivable sin, which is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. That includes things such as attributing works by the Holy Spirit to the devil.

Now... that all seems like a very human type of control. You do not "bad mouth" the Holy Spirit. What sort of exalted being would care about such a thing? Logically, it makes absolutely zero sense. Plenty of human beings are beyond the point of caring about someone badmouthing them, so why would an all-knowing, all-seeing God care?

This is a rhetorical question. I'm not looking for answers. I have my own, which is I think it's rubbish and was put there by the church to exert control. However, if you truly believe it, it may still have an effect on your life.

Anyways, back on topic, that's the only unforgivable sin, so if you haven't broken that one, and you truly believe in all that, you're fine.
I don't think nothing ever happens to you if you disrespect your Soul, but as for me, I rather not disrespect It. I rather have a profound Connection with my Soul. After all, your Soul broad you here. There were times, I wanted to like sell my Soul, but even Lucifer told me not to. And then, I just started to built a relationship with my Soul, and let It run Its course.
 
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Is there a reason you keep working a system you don’t seem to understand?

im not saying we do..but you seem to Either not be doing it right but worse you’ve mentioned the spirits have taken offense at times against you...

By making promises, some spirits may expect you to keep them...im Not talking about eternal hell...IMO there’s no such thing but there’s a concept of for example, if we wrong someone we must suffer for it in the afterlife and in our future reincarnations

But some of these demons, etc you mention may hold you to account n want what was promised, this can follow you from incarnation to incarnation. I’m not saying they will but it’s possible, if you contacted them, they heard you etc.

have you thought of stepping away from doing rituals and understanding what they mean before dabbling further?
Im not sure I dont understand it, what Im saying is that when we utter a promise or bargain to a divine being, they might take it seriously.
I have stepped away from the Left Hand Path, and probably won't grace its halls for quite some time, Im fine with not being in a lodge. Im also fine with RHP. As a Christian, it could be God is preventing contact, its possible the devil might have put a mountain in my way, angels, demons, humans even, curses are not unheard of.
Perhaps, as a solitary, it would be best if authors can cut the fluff and get to a consistent, reliable method that anyone should be able to step into.

So, back to bargains and promises unfulfilled ... it would be nice for starters if its true, exactly to whom and for what they are, and yes, more ritual explanation would be welcome to people struggling with magic and are utterly alone save for the internet.
 
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I can say that sometimes I come off as gruff or combative when its not so.
The issue is, staying in the RHP, there are only so many systems which can be explored, and one. Freemasonry, would require being initiated into a lodge, and Im not sure their aims are the same as mine. Enochian requires as much work as getting involved into stuff like the Heptameron. The only Enochian I use are a few lines from a given watchtower tablet to utilize doing the Supreme Ritual of the Pentagram, and a few rituals Im doing for a given text, though I can say it seems Enochian is present in nearly every Magical System at some level.
I can say that almost everything we do, from a definition of the word is some sort of a step within a ritual if not a ritual itself. Smoking a cigarette, brushing your teeth, cooking, eating, many of these are themselves a ritual.
Same with grooming and showering, laundry etc.
This way we dont let inertia grip us and not let us go. So we are presentable and somewhat normal.
In terms of magical ritual, I see it as:
Purification of space and self
Banishing any unwanted presences
Bombarding the senses into an altered state of consciousness
Opening yourself up to forces based on the type of magic and symbolism being used
Raising energy while meditating on intent
Releasing energy and grounding
Banishing again to clear the air.

I guess you would say the core ritual is raising energy for the intent and releasing it. This seems to be where I really struggle personally, but looking for a system of energy work that is easier and quicker to learn and be proficient than Reiki or Qi Gong. Perhaps I could join a group class that would help me in that regard, Tai Chi may be another, yoga another.

That and meditation longer than 5 minutes is helpful.

I would say in a petition ritual, the raising of energy is accomplished by something like a Middle Pillar exercise, with the desire of the petition to pass, and some sort of ecstatic release before burning it that seals the release of the petition and energy.
 
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So on that note Ive somewhat derailed this, so lets get back on topic, unfulfilled proses to divine and or infernal beings, as well as other spirits, even God.

I guess relationships are something I struggle with, as I dont know how to properly express my heart and usually sound a 180 of the intent.
That and how to restore broken relationships. Or how to strengthen existing ones. Warning signs of losing one, etc.

So, perhaps knowledge and ability of good relationships is helpful in finding out all unfulfilled promises you've made to spirits, and fulfilling them. But this still, from day one, requires a relationship with God an angel a demon or a spirit.
 
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There is also the subject of Akashic Records, whatever they may be, I know nothing about that but the term sprang to mind.
 

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I'm just thinking out loud here as it's a bit late for me, and I sip a diet soda+cheap vodka before bed...

What exactly is a "promise" supposed to mean to a non-corporeal entity? I'm not trying to be crude, but can one "promise" to fill up the gas tank later and expect the car to run on empty in the mean time? Either we have invested our power into the astral light, coagula, or we haven't... yet. I know there was quite a lot of bargaining with 'god' in the Old Testament, but I'd steer well clear of interpreting those stories any more literally than works by Shakespeare. Presumably I entered a 'contract' with god as a young teenager when I got baptized in my so-called faith at the time. I'm not too broken up about violating the terms of that 'promise' since then.

Akashic Records
This was mentioned in Dion Fortune's fictional work about Dr Taverner which I've been reading this week.
 

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I'm just thinking out loud here as it's a bit late for me, and I sip a diet soda+cheap vodka before bed...

What exactly is a "promise" supposed to mean to a non-corporeal entity? I'm not trying to be crude, but can one "promise" to fill up the gas tank later and expect the car to run on empty in the mean time? Either we have invested our power into the astral light, coagula, or we haven't... yet. I know there was quite a lot of bargaining with 'god' in the Old Testament, but I'd steer well clear of interpreting those stories any more literally than works by Shakespeare. Presumably I entered a 'contract' with god as a young teenager when I got baptized in my so-called faith at the time. I'm not too broken up about violating the terms of that 'promise' since then.


This was mentioned in Dion Fortune's fictional work about Dr Taverner which I've been reading this week.
Some spirits do take promises you make to them seriously, ask any member of a ATR or someone who’s taken up service with Santa Muerte.

in the Bible the jews did make a contract...do what God wants and be allowed to live in the land, don’t and watch as so n so befalls you. Is it all true? I’m not sure but I know even many rationalist rabbis believe that God did indeed bring wrath upon his chosen people.

As for Santa Muerte I can speak from personal experience, she’s not a spirit you should make promises too and then renege, I’ve seen one guy who once a good friend and serious practitioner living a good life spiral into drugs, beating his gf, disowned by his father etc.

Ive heard worse about others, but if people think I’m joking go ahead n do what you will...people pop open a book, have no idea what they’re doing and if they’re in an already compromised state of being like suffering from mental health, magic can make it worse.
 

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There is also the subject of Akashic Records, whatever they may be, I know nothing about that but the term sprang to mind.
The Akashic Records are the universal library...they contain every single bit of information past present n future. they have every sensation, every thought, etc. in the works attributed to the society of St Germain...he took a student into them...literally inside them like virtual reality

i think Robert Monroe says the same in his works
 

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Also...what exactly did you promise

if they didn’t keep their end, why would you need to keep yours?
 
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Usually burn a stick of incense for them, give them public praise and use their name in tarot readings.
Past that I dont recall. As for God, promised to be a role model follower countless times and am the reverse.
Promised to become a minister or pastor and fell into pride.

Its a mess. Akashic Records seem my best bet. What are the keys to that, astral protection? Meditation?
 

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theres mediums who can access em,,,idk how

what exactly did you want in return for these promises? if you got nothing and gave nothing I don’t think they would take it as a meaningful valid promise
 
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My entire point was to rebuild my apovcalyptically nuked life, so I could free myself from oppression and be happy in life, care for my family, help others, all that good stuff.
 

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My entire point was to rebuild my apovcalyptically nuked life, so I could free myself from oppression and be happy in life, care for my family, help others, all that good stuff.
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I can say that almost everything we do, from a definition of the word is some sort of a step within a ritual if not a ritual itself. Smoking a cigarette, brushing your teeth, cooking, eating, many of these are themselves a ritual.
Same with grooming and showering, laundry etc.
This way we dont let inertia grip us and not let us go. So we are presentable and somewhat normal.
I'm rather undecided about deities at this time, as you may have guessed. I'm dealing with decades of belonging to a quasi cult that affected my feelings towards the Bible and Abrahamic religions in general. (I know not all people like the term 'cult' being used exclusively for a negative connotation, but that's a dominant meaning in the current English language usage.) I'm also thinking a bit more clearly this morning than I was last night before bed.

That being said, what is repentance? I'd say it is the cessation of actions which cause suffering in oneself and others, and a promise to oneself to put into practice things which help yourself and others.

"Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself." - Mark 12:31

Do you love yourself? If not, how then can you love your neighbor? Is this not magic? Do not others perceive our self hatred even if only subconsciously in our aura? It will affect how they respond to any interest you show in their lives. To love yourself, you must find a way to forgive yourself. This cannot be easy if you perceive that others have not, and perhaps never will, forgive you. To forgive yourself and love yourself, that depends on what you do. Banish the thought forms that have caused you grief. Use rituals that bring you calm and balance. It may seem mundane to quietly meditate, but isn't it also mundane to brush one's teeth or do the laundry?

“He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much.” - Luke 16:10

Once you have cleansed yourself and begin to develop good habits, how do you keep on guard against the return of problems?

"Now when the unclean spirit goes out of a man, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, and does not find it. 44) "Then it says, 'I will return to my house from which I came'; and when it comes, it finds it unoccupied, swept, and put in order. 45) "Then it goes and takes along with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there; and the last state of that man becomes worse than the first. That is the way it will also be with this evil generation." - Matthew 12:43-45

I'll use the example of smoking cigarettes. I was not a heavy smoker, but I did smoke for 10 years. I gave up the habit to save money and avoid serious health problems, but I still occasionally have the desire to smoke even though time has passed. I've heard stories from people who picked up the habit again due to stress. I take that as a warning for myself. It requires vigilance. I'm sure there's more I could say, but ... you know what to do.

I don't know what problems you've had, but I truly wish you success in whatever way you see fit to take control of your life. May you have peace.
 

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My entire point was to rebuild my apovcalyptically nuked life, so I could free myself from oppression and be happy in life, care for my family, help others, all that good stuff.
I don’t think the spirits can hold you to promises unless they keep their end

even in the Bible it was a reciprocal relationship...act a certain way and be able to live in the land in peace and prosperity, don’t and be thrown out and suffer

I don’t think any of your promises are that serious as they couldn’t hold their end of the bargain
 
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