What are your views on hell?

[Eldros]

There exists no fire that is not an abstraction of certain set of stimuli. Whatever you think of as "fire" is in this regard indifferent to a mathematical description of how it works. Physical world doesn't have properties, only abstract objects have them. A map and a terrain are both samely abstractions of the same chunk of sensory data, only the second is perhaps more fine.

That just presumes your conclusion: that properties exist just in abstractions.
Even if we accept that fire is an abstraction, it doesn't mean that the abstraction itself is hot.
A map shows a landscape without actually being that landscape../

 

[Nembra]

That just presumes your conclusion: that properties exist just in abstractions.
Even if we accept that fire is an abstraction, it doesn't mean that the abstraction itself is hot.
A map shows a landscape without actually being that landscape../

Yes, but the landscape belongs to the set of its maps. "Hot" is and abstraction class. A property is an abstraction class.

 

[Eldros]

Yes, but the landscape belongs to the set of its maps. "Hot" is and abstraction class. A property is an abstraction class.

Calling "hot" an abstraction class doesn't make the class itself hot. You're still mistaking a property with its representation.
I think we've got to the point where we're working from different speculative assumptions, so I don't think continuing this will lead anywhere.
I'll leave it here. It was quite a challenging "duel"

 

[Nembra]

Calling "hot" an abstraction class doesn't make the class itself hot. You're still mistaking a property with its representation.
I think we've got to the point where we're working from different speculative assumptions, so I don't think continuing this will lead anywhere.
I'll leave it here. It was quite a challenging "duel"

I gladly accept the ceasefire

 

[stmichael]

Truthfully, just that I hope it isn’t real.

 

[Phillian]

I grew up with the sentence «You will end up in Hell», "You are sinful», «Your soul belongs in the circles of Hell», «People like you deserve to be burn in Hell» among others... So for a while I had a very Dantean vision of Hell, seven circles, seven sins, etc... But the more I grew and embrace my truth the more my vision shifted. At first it was humour that made it change, everytime people said those things I began to rebuke "Well, if people like me belong to Hell, it must be a Paradise over there." and slowly, my mind set began to shift, nowadays I believe Hell and Paradise are to side of the same coin and both can be experience on Earth, sort of like Gnosticism.

So, in conclusion, I do not believe in Hell, at least, not in the way media likes to portrait it.