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[Opinion] What is the BIBLE to you?

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zyfrtheFirst

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A simple question, it should be interesting to see what people say. Without revealing too much, what is your interpretation of what the BIBLE is?

To me, the bible is a record of what happened in the past whereby the God who created the Universe (Yaldabaoth) was subdued by some Earthly magicians in some ritual. In this ritual, the God of creation is made into a man so that he can be killed. Jesus then, is the God of the Old Testament who was incarnated through ritual magic, for the sake of magical POWER.

I have other specific beliefs which I am happy to discuss, but I want to hear what people know!
 

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I guess I'm a bit of a Torah snob, I only trust what I translate myself. Mostly I do this with Genesis.

Also, some books of the Bible I outright 'un-canon' in my readings. 'Revelation' and anything written by Paul.

( Am I a christian? Most would say no, because I'm Adoptionist, not Incarnationist. )

I do explore Islam, but for Jinn related knowledge only.

Gnostic books, I'm still evaluating. Might be good for Goddess info with Sophia.
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I guess non of that really answers the OP question, but I hope you see that I treat each book differently, so I can't really.
 
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I'll start with the OT and the 'Jewish Bible' ( which Christians adopted ) ;

It is a collection of myth fables and some oral history and folk stories with some 'other histories' and their famous people 'adopted' and given other names ( like Solomon being based on Egyptian, Assyrian or Phoenician Kings ) collated contemporary with Josiah ( who made the Temple 'Jewish ' and Monotheist (it was not previously ) in an attempt (successful until recently* ) to create an idea of a previous unified kingdom between Israel and Judah , so Josiah could move north and take Israel due to the post Neo-Assyrian 'withdrawal / power vacuum in that area .

* due to modern research about the adoption , development and evolution of Jahweh into Judah and the work of modern archaeologists like the prominent Israeli Dr Israel Finklestein ( to name one ) .

In that regard , to me, I have to consider it one of the most successful con jobs in history ! ( and the modern world still has ideas about God from this source ! )

The NT is a collection of ancient, 1st-century Greco-Roman literature authored by humans , influenced by both Second Temple Judaism ( see above ) and Greco-Roman literature, with anonymous authors (not the apostles ), creating Jesus as the main character to hold the story plot together and to present the authors ethical and philosophical arguments about justice, mercy and subversion ( due to Roman rule ).

Generally ( NT + OT ) Its a great story and probably became so popular due to it being 'on the story line ' that is most popular ( Cinderaella has the same story line structure )

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Granted, the book of Genesis has stories far older, adopted and adapted. That does does not remove their meaning.

It does not work like say Exodus, with it's "... and God told Moses..."

When does the Bible transition to History? IDK. It's not that important to me to know.

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Granted, the book of Genesis has stories far older, adopted and adapted. That does does not remove their meaning.

It does not work like say Exodus, with it's "... and God told Moses..."

When does the Bible transition to History? IDK. It's not that important to me to know.

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Well I can tell you from reading Kant that Religion and Science have traded place in since the time of Galileo (where Religion was Dogmatists and the accepted method for arriving at TRUTH, while Science were the skeptics who had to correct dogmatists where they could)

The bible can viewed as the BEST interpretation of what is happening in reality, and how and why we exist. The gnostic interpretation is interesting. I looked specifically into the covenant ritual between Abraham and some God? who appeared as smoke and fire and interceded for him.
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In that regard , to me, I have to consider it one of the most successful con jobs in history ! ( and the modern world still has ideas about God from this source ! )

Do you suggest that none of what was written could have come from another place (DIVINELY INSPIRED) from spirits, or other forces? Do you think that it is a historical collection of books? What about the Quran or Torah which aren’t ‘compiled’ in the same way?
 

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I see it different. Isra-El means "He struggles with God".

Abraham opposed God, unlike Noah. Pleaded the cause of Mankind. NOT just two cities, that was the endgame.

To be true to the narrative, you don't demonize like what Gnostics do, you oppose Him. Like Abraham.

My life mission is to be Abraham, to oppose God, in pursuit of Justice, with a balance of Mercy.
 

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I have written it in other threads as well. My reformed grandmother gave as a present me a child-version of the Bible when I was at ten or eleven. I was expected to read it. What she didn't know was that I had borrow in the local Library already the books from Homerus and did read them. For me the bible only was another collection of stories and I liked Homerus more than the Bible.

Later on I started to sing the Matthäus Passion, but it is the drama that Bach pointed so well that catched me, not Matthew. I love baroque and this was a kind of Jesus Christ Superstar movie for me. The spiritual is in the concerts more in how people, singers/ performers / conductor / public, engage with that story emotionally. That is still quite impressive.
 

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I was indoctrinated into the Jehovah's Witness version of the Bible from an early age. One can go to their official website for public information about their beliefs. It is a cult mentality. The hook is "you can live forever on Earth because God promised it." According to them, the Bible is the account of Jehovah's vindication of His Great Name which was besmirched by the lies of Satan and his demons. We are living in the time of the end since 1914 when Jesus Christ became enthroned in Heaven as king of God's Kingdom, and soon Jesus and his angels will act to destroy the wicked world of Satan by killing billions of wicked people. Perhaps tens of millions of the faithful will survive Armageddon and begin life in paradise during a restoration period lasting a thousand years. During this time, Earth will be restored to God's plan of perfection and the dead will be resurrected to live again on Earth with the exception of those who died in periods of Divine judgement, such as the flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, and Armageddon. After that time Satan and his demons will be let out of the Abyss to tempt perfected mankind one last time.

So, imagine coming from that sort of indoctrination with a compelling story line. Those who leave it are considered as good as dead. To break the indoctrination requires that one to destroy the story from a logical, rational perspective, because it is a story that pretends to be based on reason. The miracles of the Bible are gone, and God is far away in Heaven. Fortunately, there is no Hell because the Bible says in some scriptures that the dead are conscious of nothing at all. - Ecclesiastes 9

I reasoned that if the story itself was false, then I'd be dead and "unconscious" anyway. I was perhaps wasting my time in service to an American corporation pretending to be a religion. Perhaps it was just another elaborate lie. I became a cynical atheist. I saw all the logical flaws of the Bible, the compilation errors and outright manipulations in the OT were plain to see from a purely modern way of thinking. The letters of the NT didn't match well with the Gospel accounts either. The words attributed to Paul that "all scripture is inspired of God" seemed like an incredibly convenient way for mere men to assert a power over others that they did not deserve.

After writing all of that, I confess that I have attained a new-found respect for the Bible in recent years. The great irony is that my study of the occult and magic are the reason for this change of heart, because Jehovah's Witnesses believe that the occult is demonic and magic only comes from Satan. Once I abandoned the literalist, materialist way of thinking so common in modern Christianity, I began to appreciate the mystical message of the allegories found in the Bible. Reading works by William Blake, Neville Goddard, and others renewed my appreciation for so many stories that never made logical sense, but it turns out they weren't meant to be taken literally.
 
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